Topic: Why does James Bond always give his real name? He's a fucking SPY
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what's the point of spying undercover when you tell everyone your real name?


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Its his code name, not his real name you nitwit.

When one gets killed or captured, they hand it off to the next 007 to perpetuate the myth that he is immortal. 

Sean Connery's James Bond's real last name was Mason.


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Also, just to make sure OP understands, M is not M's real name.


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Because he's a cunt, and that shit's written into a shitty script written by a cunt.

Also, suspension of disbelief.


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. said: Its his code name, not his real name you nitwit.

When one gets killed or captured, they hand it off to the next 007 to perpetuate the myth that he is immortal. 

Sean Connery's James Bond's real last name was Mason.

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Wrong.

At the end of Skyfall, Bond takes the battle with supervillain Silva to his own secret lair: the family mansion in the Scottish highlands (called Skyfall). There we briefly see the family cemetary, where we see the headstones of his parents, Andrew Bond and Monique Delacroix Bond. And so it is established, fully and once and for all, that James Bond is actually a guy named James Bond. It is not a name that is conferred by MI6, it is not a secret identity. It is simply a shittily-hidden actual identity. All of the previous James Bonds were definitely the same guy, and all future post-Craig Bonds will still be the same guy. 

It's worth noting that Bond's parents are canon from the books. In You Only Live Twice, there's an obituary for Bond written by M (echoed in Skyfall, by the way) and his parents are mentioned as being deceased. They were killed in a climbing accident, which I do not believe is mentioned in Skyfall. HIs aunt is mentioned in the film, though. 

And so you have it. With a quick shot of a headstone one of the biggest continuity questions about the Bond series is cleared up. There will never be a movie where Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton swoop in to tell the current 007 how things were done in their days. It's just one guy, and it's always been just one guy.


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James Bond takes place in The Fifties. No Cells, no Google.


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Does the double-0 designation mean there's only 9 agents who can have one?  Or is there a 0011 and a 0056?


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Who is number one? I am number six!


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. said: Its his code name, not his real name you nitwit.

When one gets killed or captured, they hand it off to the next 007 to perpetuate the myth that he is immortal. 

Sean Connery's James Bond's real last name was Mason.

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Wrong.

At the end of Skyfall, Bond takes the battle with supervillain Silva to his own secret lair: the family mansion in the Scottish highlands (called Skyfall). There we briefly see the family cemetary, where we see the headstones of his parents, Andrew Bond and Monique Delacroix Bond. And so it is established, fully and once and for all, that James Bond is actually a guy named James Bond. It is not a name that is conferred by MI6, it is not a secret identity. It is simply a shittily-hidden actual identity. All of the previous James Bonds were definitely the same guy, and all future post-Craig Bonds will still be the same guy. 

It's worth noting that Bond's parents are canon from the books. In You Only Live Twice, there's an obituary for Bond written by M (echoed in Skyfall, by the way) and his parents are mentioned as being deceased. They were killed in a climbing accident, which I do not believe is mentioned in Skyfall. HIs aunt is mentioned in the film, though. 

And so you have it. With a quick shot of a headstone one of the biggest continuity questions about the Bond series is cleared up. There will never be a movie where Roger Moore or Timothy Dalton swoop in to tell the current 007 how things were done in their days. It's just one guy, and it's always been just one guy.

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The Daniel Craig James Bond is not the same as the Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan, nor any other James Bond (I forget the guy from "On Her Majesty's Secret Service")

Daniel Craig is mentioned being an orphan almost immediately as Casino Royal starts (on the train, with Vespa) so naturally they would continue his story as an orphan.

In "You only live twice" the whole plot was a ruse to fool Spectre into thinking he was dead, so naturally they wouldn't use his real name.  They would have used James Bond's real name.  If they had said "John Patrick Mason" everyone would have said "Who?"

And of course, Roger Moore isn't going to show up.  In Cannon he is either dead or captured.  Remember from Casino Royale where Daniel Craig's Bond mentions that Double O's have very short lives?  Yup.  Different guys, same character.

So the next guy could come back as a black guy, or an Indian, or whatever the fuck they feel like.


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. said: James Bond takes place in The Fifties. No Cells, no Google.

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It hasn't taken place since.. the 50s.

Every James Bond is a reflection of his own time.


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The Daniel Craig James Bond is not the same as the Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, Pierce Brosnan, nor any other James Bond (I forget the guy from "On Her Majesty's Secret Service")

Daniel Craig is mentioned being an orphan almost immediately as Casino Royal starts (on the train, with Vespa) so naturally they would continue his story as an orphan.

In "You only live twice" the whole plot was a ruse to fool Spectre into thinking he was dead, so naturally they wouldn't use his real name.  They would have used James Bond's real name.  If they had said "John Patrick Mason" everyone would have said "Who?"

And of course, Roger Moore isn't going to show up.  In Cannon he is either dead or captured.  Remember from Casino Royale where Daniel Craig's Bond mentions that Double O's have very short lives?  Yup.  Different guys, same character.

So the next guy could come back as a black guy, or an Indian, or whatever the fuck they feel like.

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You just ignored everything in the above post.  Skyfall proves James Bond is his real name.  It shows the names of his parents, named Bond, who were killed when he was a kid.  His wife, Tracy Bond, has also  mentioned in several movies - by several different actors playing Bond.  Did all those different Bonds marry the same girl?  They all seem to grieve that she got killed, how come out of all the James Bonds she married, none of them could protect her?  

All actors have been playing the same character, a guy named James Bond.  The evidence proves it.


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You just ignored everything in the above post.  Skyfall proves James Bond is his real name.  It shows the names of his parents, named Bond, who were killed when he was a kid.  His wife, Tracy Bond, has also  mentioned in several movies - by several different actors playing Bond.  Did all those different Bonds marry the same girl?  They all seem to grieve that she got killed, how come out of all the James Bonds she married, none of them could protect her?  

All actors have been playing the same character, a guy named James Bond.  The evidence proves it.

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I read your evidence, and since Skyfall is one movie among many, the evidence I presented disproves you.

In Casino Royale, it is mentioned that Daniel Craig's James Bond was too poor to afford going to private school, so he had to have a backer (again by Vespa) so, how could he have kept a whole fucking mansion?  Skyfall is the abberation  here, not ALL THE OTHER MOVIES. 

In Doctor No, they have to force Sean Connery into taking the Walther PPK.  Yet Daniel Craig starts off using one, before he achieves Double O status.  Again, the Craig movies are not really very cannon.  They are enjoyable to watch but they are still the same shitty writing with no respect for the continuity established for well over half of a century.

We can probably  accept the canonicity of "The Rock" as Sean Connery is basically playing James Bond after having been locked up since his last film (The remake one, Never say Never again or whatever)


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I read your evidence, and since Skyfall is one movie among many, the evidence I presented disproves you.

In Casino Royale, it is mentioned that Daniel Craig's James Bond was too poor to afford going to private school, so he had to have a backer (again by Vespa) so, how could he have kept a whole fucking mansion?  Skyfall is the abberation  here, not ALL THE OTHER MOVIES. 

In Doctor No, they have to force Sean Connery into taking the Walther PPK.  Yet Daniel Craig starts off using one, before he achieves Double O status.  Again, the Craig movies are not really very cannon.  They are enjoyable to watch but they are still the same shitty writing with no respect for the continuity established for well over half of a century.

We can probably  accept the canonicity of "The Rock" as Sean Connery is basically playing James Bond after having been locked up since his last film (The remake one, Never say Never again or whatever)

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So to get this straight, the movies that incontrovertibly prove you wrong just don't count.  According to you.  But non-James-Bond movies do count.

The mantion in Scotland belonged to his aunt, not him.  This is made clear in the books, which also make clear all the stories happened to ONE GUY, named James Bond.  And seriously, you want to quibble about what gun Bond uses?  He also drove different cars, does that prove it's different people?

Sorry, tardknocker.  You lost this one.


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Different actors played Obi-wan Kenobi!  That proves they were different people passing on the codename!
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This thread is the height of tardidness.  Let's be clear, for the avoidance of doubt, nobody gives one single SHIT about James Bond.  It is pure fiction, written by a flaming FAGGOT who used to head up a group of other flaming FAGGOTS called MI6.  That's all.
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. said: This thread is the height of tardidness.  Let's be clear, for the avoidance of doubt, nobody gives one single SHIT about James Bond.  It is pure fiction, written by a flaming FAGGOT who used to head up a group of other flaming FAGGOTS called MI6.  That's all.
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You seem quite fixated on faggots.  Why do you think that is?


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So to get this straight, the movies that incontrovertibly prove you wrong just don't count.  According to you.  But non-James-Bond movies do count.

The mantion in Scotland belonged to his aunt, not him.  This is made clear in the books, which also make clear all the stories happened to ONE GUY, named James Bond.  And seriously, you want to quibble about what gun Bond uses?  He also drove different cars, does that prove it's different people?

Sorry, tardknocker.  You lost this one.

­You'll accept evidence from films that do not follow cannon in place of cannon films (I'm sticking with the Broccoli timeline here) then I can use a non cannon film - and go watch "The Rock" - Sean Connery is doing his James Bond schtick and enjoying it deeply.

In Doctor No, probably the most cannon film of all, he is already a double O with a few missions under his belt when it is mentioned his old gun nearly got him killed, and "M" has to browbeat him to take the Walther PPK.

M is also a MAN in that movie.  In Skyfall, M is a woman.  Or would you have us believe that M had a sex change and then went back again?  (The Brosnan M is so hastily introduced that it doesn't make sense, and clearly follows a feminist agenda, since all she does is chastise James Bond for his sexism)

Also, M's replacement in the Brosnan films meant that the M in the Craig movies could NOT be the same woman.  Its a complete shitshow of mashed up writing if you even try to propose it.  Bond started off in the 50s, clearly a relic of his time, and the movies show it.  A woman would have never been allowed to be a minister of such important power.  So the progress of the movies themselves show that time has elapsed, and one man could not possibly accomplish all the missions that "James Bond" has completed over that time, some taking months to accomplish.

Ergo, the whole arc doesn't support your contention of one movie that was invented just to kill of Drench (And was supposedly Craig's last, even though if you throw enough money at him, he will come back) Look at the Broccoli movies.  They are the ones that matter, and when they contradict one another, we go to the more consistent source.

James Bond almost always uses a cover name that is so similar to his regular code name that it shows he is trying to signal to other agents he is nearby.  Also in Casino Royale he checks in under "James Bond" which pisses Vespa off for him blowing his cover.  He counters that its nothing his enemies don't know - he was just promoted to Double O status, so how the fuck would anyone know anything about him? 

He wouldn't do that if it was his real name.  James Bond is a nom de plume, a character, a badge of honour.  But, as Daniel Craig himself says, Double O's don't have long lives, so he  wants to get started.


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Cars filled with


PETROL!
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Ergo, the whole arc doesn't support your contention of one movie that was invented just to kill of Drench (And was supposedly Craig's last, even though if you throw enough money at him, he will come back) Look at the Broccoli movies.  They are the ones that matter, and when they contradict one another, we go to the more consistent source.

James Bond almost always uses a cover name that is so similar to his regular code name that it shows he is trying to signal to other agents he is nearby.  Also in Casino Royale he checks in under "James Bond" which pisses Vespa off for him blowing his cover.  He counters that its nothing his enemies don't know - he was just promoted to Double O status, so how the fuck would anyone know anything about him? 

He wouldn't do that if it was his real name.  James Bond is a nom de plume, a character, a badge of honour.  But, as Daniel Craig himself says, Double O's don't have long lives, so he  wants to get started.

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It doesn't get more canon than the books, all of which established he's a guy named James Bond, not a codename that gets passed from one person to the next.  I see you also ignored my point about Bond's wife, and repeated the stupidity about the Walther I already debunked above.  Stupidity doesn't become true just because you repeat it.  

In fact, you reinforced my point: in Casino Royale he's just starting out and no one knows who "James Bond" is.  Which wouldn't be the case if there were other James Bonds over time.

And, as I believe YOU pointed out, M and Q obviously are code names.  To put it in terms you can understand, James Bond is a normal full name, M and Q aren't.  You might have twigged to this by noticing M changes from male to female to dead female and back to male again, and Q changes from an 80 year old man to a geek in his 20s.


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. said: James Bond takes place in The Fifties. No Cells, no Google.

­Only a faggot would use those.
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Real name or not, what's the big difference? He doesn't own a house, he is an orphan, he constantly moves and always has a gun on him. The only thing they can do is tell him they know his name, which explains why they constantly introduce themselves by saying "Ahhh... Mr. Bond. I've been expecting you." They feel so damn proud about it, they're so cute.


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Casino royale couldn’t even get the poker scene right


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It doesn't get more canon than the books, all of which established he's a guy named James Bond, not a codename that gets passed from one person to the next.  I see you also ignored my point about Bond's wife, and repeated the stupidity about the Walther I already debunked above.  Stupidity doesn't become true just because you repeat it.  

In fact, you reinforced my point: in Casino Royale he's just starting out and no one knows who "James Bond" is.  Which wouldn't be the case if there were other James Bonds over time.

And, as I believe YOU pointed out, M and Q obviously are code names.  To put it in terms you can understand, James Bond is a normal full name, M and Q aren't.  You might have twigged to this by noticing M changes from male to female to dead female and back to male again, and Q changes from an 80 year old man to a geek in his 20s.

­You are an idiot.  We are talking the Broccoli timeline, as I said before.  You don't quote from Star Trek novels, and you don't quote LOTR when discussing the films.

The Walther PPK is pure cannon.  Not stupidity.

Since you are so fucking dumb, you completely missed my point.  He blows his cover using his code name, but, he is nonchalant because they already know who he is, but he knows he's an unknown.  Since everyone believes James Bond is dead/captured/whatever happened to Brosnan, he is giving them something that will throw them off the path.  Plus, he had the package sent to him under his code name.

Spies who advertise wind up dead.  It is shown several times no one knows who he is in Casino Royale.  He might have well have told them his name is Star Lord.

Anyway, I can't afford any more time to waste on this because I actually have a life, and I chose to spend it on important things (like working) rather than arguing with you about stuff you cannot understand.  Sorry, I have to feed my wife, kids, and keep our "Skyfall" going.

:hmmm:  What was the rotten tomatoes score on "Skyfall" again?


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. said: Real name or not, what's the big difference? He doesn't own a house, he is an orphan, he constantly moves and always has a gun on him. The only thing they can do is tell him they know his name, which explains why they constantly introduce themselves by saying "Ahhh... Mr. Bond. I've been expecting you." They feel so damn proud about it, they're so cute.

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Well of course they know his name, he TELLS everyone his name on every spying mission.  He might as well say, "James Bond, I'm a big fucking spy".  Eventually the name has got such a reputation he'd be fucked every time he uses it.  He most be a massive egotist to keep doing it.


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­You are an idiot.  We are talking the Broccoli timeline, as I said before.  You don't quote from Star Trek novels, and you don't quote LOTR when discussing the films.

The Walther PPK is pure cannon.  Not stupidity.

Since you are so fucking dumb, you completely missed my point.  He blows his cover using his code name, but, he is nonchalant because they already know who he is, but he knows he's an unknown.  Since everyone believes James Bond is dead/captured/whatever happened to Brosnan, he is giving them something that will throw them off the path.  Plus, he had the package sent to him under his code name.

Spies who advertise wind up dead.  It is shown several times no one knows who he is in Casino Royale.  He might have well have told them his name is Star Lord.

Anyway, I can't afford any more time to waste on this because I actually have a life, and I chose to spend it on important things (like working) rather than arguing with you about stuff you cannot understand.  Sorry, I have to feed my wife, kids, and keep our "Skyfall" going.

:hmmm:  What was the rotten tomatoes score on "Skyfall" again?

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"You don't quote from Star Trek novels, and you don't quote LOTR when discussing the films. " - yet you just insisted The Rock is a Bond film.  :rolleyes:

"Since everyone believes James Bond is dead/captured/whatever happened to Brosnan, he is giving them something that will throw them off the path."  If everyone knows what happened to Pierce Brosnan, they know he's a spy.  A new guy calling himself James Bond is broadcasting on a big neon sign, "I'm a double-0 spy replacing the last guy, using the same codename everyone knows."  That doesn't throw people off the path, that creates a path directly to him.  And like you said, "Spies who advertise wind up dead."

You're literally starting to spew total nonsense, word salad.  Accept you blew it on this one.  It happens.  :lol:



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