Topic: NASA admits we can't send people through the Van Allen Belts
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"We need to solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space." They solved it in 1969 but now they need to solve it again like it never happened? Apollo 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 all supposedly passed through the Van Allen belts. NASA "solved" the challenges nine times without a problem and now it's a challenge that needs to be solved?



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Van Allen Belts
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I love how stupid people are. 

Radiation.  It cannot be shielded against!  It's magical and impossible to understand!
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send robots instead.


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. said: I love how stupid people are. 

Radiation.  It cannot be shielded against!  It's magical and impossible to understand!
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­Did you watch the video? The NASA guy says shielding must be "put to the test" for an unmanned mission, and the challenge of the radiation belts must be solved before sending people through them. That means they don't have it now and shielding must be tested. Too hard for you to understand? So NASA had the shielding 50 years ago for Apollo 8 to orbit the moon but now it needs to be solved again?


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You mean the firmament


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­Did you watch the video? The NASA guy says shielding must be "put to the test" for an unmanned mission, and the challenge of the radiation belts must be solved before sending people through them. That means they don't have it now and shielding must be tested. Too hard for you to understand? So NASA had the shielding 50 years ago for Apollo 8 to orbit the moon but now it needs to be solved again?

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I did.  He said that the specific technology Orion uses is untested in actual flight.  Very likely they are going with something different that what Apollo used.  That doesn't mean that Apollo didn't happen or that the newest technology won't work.  He only said the radiation is dangerous.  Well, yeah.  But dangerous doesn't mean it kills everyone every time.  Walking the South Side of Chicago is dangerous.  Probably more dangerous than the Van Allen belts once you are behind a few millimeters of metal.  Even a few millimeters of metal screens out everything other than high energy gammas.


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I did.  He said that the specific technology Orion uses is untested in actual flight.  Very likely they are going with something different that what Apollo used.  That doesn't mean that Apollo didn't happen or that the newest technology won't work.  He only said the radiation is dangerous.  Well, yeah.  But dangerous doesn't mean it kills everyone every time.  Walking the South Side of Chicago is dangerous.  Probably more dangerous than the Van Allen belts once you are behind a few millimeters of metal.  Even a few millimeters of metal screens out everything other than high energy gammas.

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I was a space junkie during the Apollo program and radiation from the Van Allen belts was never discussed as an issue that needed to be solved with special shielding. The only shield they talked about was the heat shield when the command module re-entered earth's atmosphere so it wouldn't be burned up like a meteorite.


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I was a space junkie during the Apollo program and radiation from the Van Allen belts was never discussed as an issue that needed to be solved with special shielding. The only shield they talked about was the heat shield when the command module re-entered earth's atmosphere so it wouldn't be burned up like a meteorite.

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Most forms of radiation (except gamma) are shielded by very thin sheets of almost any metal, and as a pressure vessel, these spacecraft already have something that qualifies as a shield.  Yes, that radiation is dangerous, but it isn't at a level like the crazies make it out to be as if you are sitting on top of a nuclear reactor.  Wikipedia explains the actual amount of radiation in some detail:

In the belts, at a given point, the flux of particles of a given energy decreases sharply with energy.


At the magnetic equator, electrons of energies exceeding 500 keV (resp. 5 MeV) have omnidirectional fluxes ranging from 1.2×106 (resp. 3.7×104) up to 9.4×109 (resp. 2×107) particles per square centimeter per second.

The proton belts contain protons with kinetic energies ranging from about 100 keV (which can penetrate 0.6 µm of lead) to over 400 MeV (which can penetrate 143 mm of lead).

Most published flux values for the inner and outer belts may not show the maximum probable flux densities that are possible in the belts. There is a reason for this discrepancy: the flux density and the location of the peak flux is variable (depending primarily on solar activity), and the number of spacecraft with instruments observing the belt in real time has been limited. The Earth has not experienced a solar storm of Carrington event intensity and duration while spacecraft with the proper instruments have been available to observe the event.

Regardless of the differences of the flux levels in the Inner and Outer Van Allen belts, the beta radiation levels would be dangerous to humans if they were exposed for an extended period of time. The Apollo missions minimised hazards for astronauts by sending spacecraft at high speeds through the thinner areas of the upper belts, bypassing inner belts completely


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Silly fat Sepps never went to the moon. :lol:


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AstroNot said: Silly fat Sepps never went to the moon. :lol:

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what is more believable and achievable?  Filming actors in an air-conditioned studio or sending tards to a radioactive, deadly environment 238,900 mi away and back.


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AstroNot said: Silly fat Sepps never went to the moon. :lol:

Nope! We did back then.....we can't now. In 1969 we built fire trucks that lasted over 20 year.......now we build fire trucks that spend more time in the repair shop than they do in service and now only have a ten year lifespan.


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Going to the moon is not even close to impossible, it's just a large engineering task, especially back when most computers were at least the size of a large refrigerator.  All you need is the science, large rockets, and computers.  The science was provided by Newton, the rockets by Nazis, and the computers mostly by American Jews.  Everything was in place by the early 60s, all it took was a little bit of scaling up and testing.  If we hadn't done it, the Russians would have done it just a few years later, exactly like the atomic bomb.  They were never too far behind us on the military/space stuff, and often ahead.


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NASA needs to redirect its mission to inner space, not outer space. They need shamanic trance-drummers and enthogenic neuronauts.
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. said: Going to the moon is not even close to impossible, it's just a large engineering task, especially back when most computers were at least the size of a large refrigerator.  All you need is the science, large rockets, and computers.  The science was provided by Newton, the rockets by Nazis, and the computers mostly by American Jews.  Everything was in place by the early 60s, all it took was a little bit of scaling up and testing.  If we hadn't done it, the Russians would have done it just a few years later, exactly like the atomic bomb.  They were never too far behind us on the military/space stuff, and often ahead.

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The Russians never had a goal of putting a man on the moon nor did they have any program to do it.


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The entire USA is a fraud.  Not even a country, just a Crown Colony Corporation.

16th Amendment was never ratified in sufficient numbers of States to be lawful.

Plus, it did not confer any new powers of taxation on individuals (only on corporations).  Watch "From Freedom to Fascism". Try and argue against all the court cases that were thrown out based on that reality.

Moon landings were fake.

JFK was murdered by CIA.

911 was an inside job.

$23 TRILLION of money paid to the Pentagon is unaccounted for.

Fort Know has no gold (Reagan ordered an audit, and they concluded it had been shipped to the New York Federal Reserve, and was being held as collateral against the U.S. national debt).

The list goes on, and on, and on.

NOTHING about the USA is real.  It is like one gigantic, fake-assed Disney land of a shithole.  

:nuke:


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Anry frool knoa it a frat earff 

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Conspiracy tards are H I L A R I O U S

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The Russians never had a goal of putting a man on the moon nor did they have any program to do it.

That's not entirely true, Mr. President.


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. said: The entire USA is a fraud.  Not even a country, just a Crown Colony Corporation.

16th Amendment was never ratified in sufficient numbers of States to be lawful.

Plus, it did not confer any new powers of taxation on individuals (only on corporations).  Watch "From Freedom to Fascism". Try and argue against all the court cases that were thrown out based on that reality.

Moon landings were fake.

JFK was murdered by CIA.

911 was an inside job.

$23 TRILLION of money paid to the Pentagon is unaccounted for.

Fort Know has no gold (Reagan ordered an audit, and they concluded it had been shipped to the New York Federal Reserve, and was being held as collateral against the U.S. national debt).

The list goes on, and on, and on.

NOTHING about the USA is real.  It is like one gigantic, fake-assed Disney land of a shithole.  

:nuke:

Anti-Semite


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Lol @ socially maladapted, conspinkey virgins.


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. said: The entire USA is a fraud.  Not even a country, just a Crown Colony Corporation.

16th Amendment was never ratified in sufficient numbers of States to be lawful.

Plus, it did not confer any new powers of taxation on individuals (only on corporations).  Watch "From Freedom to Fascism". Try and argue against all the court cases that were thrown out based on that reality.

Moon landings were fake.

JFK was murdered by CIA.

911 was an inside job.

$23 TRILLION of money paid to the Pentagon is unaccounted for.

Fort Know has no gold (Reagan ordered an audit, and they concluded it had been shipped to the New York Federal Reserve, and was being held as collateral against the U.S. national debt).

The list goes on, and on, and on.

NOTHING about the USA is real.  It is like one gigantic, fake-assed Disney land of a shithole.  

:nuke:

:thumbup: Since the Jews took over in 1913 everything has been a lie.


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Put the rockets on conveyor belts. That neutralizes the Van Allen belt effects. 

Duh


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Moon hoax debunkers:
"There is more radiation from a chest x-ray than passing through the Van Allen Belts."

NASA:
"We need to solve the challenges of the Van Allen belts before we can send people through this region of space."

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You want to know the REAL reason we didn't go to the moon?  The green cheese cartels were afraid the prices would collapse on the commodities markets. 

Do not test.



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