Your Logic Fails you, First off, It doesn't matter if the universe doesn't know what a planet is or isn't, that is irrelevant. Secondly, Yes, the universe is infinite. It neither expands nor contracts it is just the space which time and matter occupy. Space itself doesn not move, bend, or move through time cause everything exists within the inside of it. That is what the universe is. Planets and Solar Systems and Galaxies all expand due to the very first explosion. Expansion is just the after effect of an explosion we are still slowly moving through out space due to this cosmic explosion.
Anyways, yes Expansion only applies to objects within the inside of the universe, cause like I said the Universe is Infinte there for it cannot grow cause it doesn't need to grow, and does not shrink because no matter what happens within it, it will always be capable of containing it cause it is infinite. Also as far as Accelerating, that is highly incorrect. The planets and galaxies are actually slowing due to the time that has elapsed over the course of the big bang. It's like an explosion, the first act is violent and quick but eventually the pieces slow down and come to a stop. Basic physics. As for "what can it expand into" It expands within itself, just like a Star does when it becomes larger due to "Thermal Expansion", yes it occupies more "SPACE" <--keyword but it is expanding within itself.
As for your Einstein comment, people have been around for thousands of years and predicted things that are happening to this day, it's just basic human sense and observation not technology that make breakthroughs, do you think Galileo had a super telescope. Hell No, he used basic tools to discover what he did.
Also, as far as your Planet discovery comment, I mean this is what science gets you, we can view other Galaxies but when it comes right down to our Solar System, it takes us another 30 years to figure out "hey we have some more planets here" No I don't have faith in the scientific community cause they are not educated enough to make assumptions that the Universe is expanding when it is a set variable and everything expands within the inside of it. The Universe does not move, objects move within it.
Hope you do try to educate yourself a little more though, Your basic observation skills are severely lacking and I hope you have enough money to buy yourself some "observation tools" there are still some of us who can use basic instincts and know what is right and wrong and can still make educated decisions without the influence of technology or other methods that would otherwise deface the value of the human intellect.
It is relevant with respect to the retarded claim that only certain parts of the universe expand. What magically stops the matter of planets from expanding, that doesn't stop the matter between them from expanding?
1. Time is just another dimension, not some separate thing from space. Space and time coexist in the same way length and width do.
1.5. Time is also not separate from the universe.
2. Who the hell is talking about space and time bending or moving through each other?
3. Who the fuck are you to be telling me or anyone "what the universe is" when you don't even know the relationship between space and time?
I wouldn't say "slowly", but yes. That expansion is accelerating, which goes back to my original, obvious point. Everything is constantly getting farther and farther away from everything else, and so it becomes less and less likely that an alien civilization would be able to reach Earth, or even be able to detect OUR civilization in the first place, so that they'd know that there's 'something to see' over here to begin with.
Are you for fucking real?
...
You are highly ignorant. We've known that the universe is expanding for over TEN YEARS. And since then, we've corroborated the original observations.
Next time, spend ten minutes on Google instead of talking out of your ass.
Idiot. Ceres was discovered in 1801. Pluto we've obviously known about for a long time, it just got changed from "planet" to "dwarf planet". And Eris was discovered in 2005, but considering it's THREE TIMES FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SUN THAN PLUTO, I wouldn't fault the astronomers for that. Seriously, go be retarded somewhere else.
Posted 1/30/2009 3:49 am
The fact is, nobody really knows for sure, and there is no way to prove anything. All we have are theories based on our interpretations of our surroundings. These fundamental assumptions that we have, may not even be right to begin with (check how many times science and math has changed over the years). Arguing about it like it really is a sure thing just shows that you are an idiot and a prick with an inferiority complex.
The oscillatory universe is a cosmological model originally derived by Alexander Friedman in 1922. It was investigated briefly by Einstein in 1930 and Richard Tolman in 1934.
It is a theory in which the universe undergoes a series of oscillations (bounces), each beginning with a big bang and ending with a big crunch. After the big bang, the universe expands for a while before the gravitational attraction of matter causes it to collapse back in and undergo a bounce.
In the 1960s, Stephen Hawking, Roger Penrose and George Ellis showed that singularities were a universal feature of cosmologies with a big bang and that no feature of general relativity could prevent them. There was little reason to postulate cycles before or after the present one. Other measurements suggested the universe is not closed. These arguments caused most cosmologists to abandon the oscillating universe model.
John Archibald Wheeler, who believed that a closed universe was necessary on general principles, speculated that the fundamental physical constants could be re-processed to new values at each bounce, providing a mechanism for anthropic selection.
The theory was revived in brane cosmology as the cyclic model (which evades most of the arguments leveled against the oscillatory universe in the sixties). However the theory is still controversial, largely because there is no satisfactory string theoretic description of the bounce in this model.
No, it was stupid in the same way that someone "cleverly" using "ASSets", with very heavy emphasis on the first syllable, instead of "ass" on broadcast TV is stupid.
Posted 2/17/2009 1:11 am
Why the fuck not? Why do aliens have to be the same size as us? Why can't they be tiny like ants and have already landed here and studied us extensively, and we just haven't noticed?
Posted 2/20/2009 6:40 am
I've seen something like the OP describes. There was a group of them zigzagging across the sky, then they disappeared. No idea what the hell it was, didn't make any noise or anything.
