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  We're going to have to return to agrarianism in order to survive you know
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Quixar said:Quite a bit, actually. However, its a skill Americans never developed.

My ex wife had a pretty decent kitchen garden.



Like you know a fucking thing about this country. :lol:

I guess the ex-wife got as tired of your ill-informed sophomoric rants as we have.

Duh, Americans don't know how to grow food
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. said:You people are fucking retards. Humans were meant to survive on protein, not bread and other assorted carbs.



Two words: Soylent Green.

There are a whole lot of people out there we don't need and no one would miss.



Who wants to eat smelly negros and street people
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. said:With the race down to the third world level, the only way to survive is going to be to grow your own food.
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Is that something like "farming"?
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. said:The ability to store cooking oil without degradation is the holy grail.

Not only can it supply calories, it can also be used directly as fuel in diesel engines.



What are the best oils for that?
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. said:If food is a problem, simply buy 10 years worth of food for a couple of thousand dollars.



Costs a lot more than that for 10 years of food, especially if you bought it pre prepared, preserved and ready to go.

Many of those foods are very high in sodium content too, so you have to be careful.

If you buy bulk items and plan on self preserving and canning, it will cost less, but 10 years of food is a hell of a lot of effort. Plus, if your'e new to all of this there's always the chance that you open up the cans 5 years later and it's full of bugs and critters that have been munching on it.



Very true, when me and my wife left wall street for rural living the first thing we did was take classes at the local community college in caning and other preserving food skills.
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. said:With the race down to the third world level, the only way to survive is going to be to grow your own food.



Many of us dropped out a long time ago. I am almost finished building my earth ship abode. When I am done the only thing I will not produce myself will be my internet connection.


Not going to say thank you? That's okay, I'm used to it.
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i have some tuna fish canned with an exp date of 2006. How long passed exp date can you still eat them? I am thinking of just tossing them to the trash, but before I do, I like to ask what F2 experts think.
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. said:What are the best oils for that?



Coconut?

How long do nuts last?

One answer is to own a pig, I guess.
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I'm hungry. Can't I use my dad's credit card to make the crops grow faster like in Farmville?
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Shiny New Kid said:I'm hungry. Can't I use my dad's credit card to make the crops grow faster like in Farmville?
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yes. even after the collapse, you can still buy shit if you are a rich alpha.
Shiny New Kid
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. said:i have some tuna fish canned with an exp date of 2006. How long passed exp date can you still eat them? I am thinking of just tossing them to the trash, but before I do, I like to ask what F2 experts think.



Canned foods are good until opened so long as it was prepared properly at canning and the can isn't compromised. If it has been you'll smell it as soon as you open it.

They've eaten canned foods from the beginning of the last century and found them fine
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If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?
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Shiny New Kid said:Canned foods are good until opened so long as it was prepared properly at canning and the can isn't compromised. If it has been you'll smell it as soon as you open it.

They've eaten canned foods from the beginning of the last century and found them fine



thanks
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. said:You could buy 10 years of food for less than $10,000 if you have the proper storage equipment.



I would be buying raw materials and tools like:

Canning lids and jars. You can only use lids once and then you have to toss them.

Spices - everything, from cinnamon to salt and pepper

Wheat grinders, pressure cookers, butter churners..

Wood stoves, axe, etc

Seeds. Some preserve well, others do not.

A greenhouse if you can afford to build one, pre germinating seeds and planting plants after the frosts will give you a better chance than dropping a seed in the ground in March.

Gardening tools, tiller if gas is available, water basin for drought days would be very valuable, otherwise a property near a river is very key, and you must be able to get the water to your garden somehow.

As far as foods, I would store away as much wheat and legumes and pasta or rice as I could. Garden veggies are usually plentiful nationwide during the summer, so storing them will probably see you through. You can either grow them yourself, or trade ammunition or cigarettes or other items for what you need. I would can beef broth stew by the gallon and pour them over noodles or eat with bread. I would make beans and cornbread on the wood stove. Very hearty, but healthy foods. In the summers you can eat lighter, supplementing with fresh melons and garden salads.

Slaughter a cow after it fattens up during the summer and dry the meats, or freeze them if we have electricity.


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network.engineer said:Not going to say thank you? That's okay, I'm used to it.
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I say thank you, as I did when the stock market crashed. It is you guys who are holding it all together, and that will be even truer in the future.

The maintenance of local and international connectivity is crucial, and will probably come under attack.

May the good force be with you.

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MW.nli said:Is that something like "farming"?



Huh no, I was thing like web-orders for the stuff
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. said:If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?

basics of modern canned food: air tight seal; contents of can heated very quickly to temp beyond which bacteria die and held there just long enough to ensure that the bacteria have died.

Shiny New Kid
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. said:If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?



Takes microbes or oxygen
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. said:If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?

basics of modern canned food: air tight seal; contents of can heated very quickly to temp beyond which bacteria die and held there just long enough to ensure that the bacteria have died.



There's no oil in canned tuna?
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. said:If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?

basics of modern canned food: air tight seal; contents of can heated very quickly to temp beyond which bacteria die and held there just long enough to ensure that the bacteria have died.



There's no oil in canned tuna?

contents would include oil. the air tight sealing of aseptic contents would prevent spoliage.

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. said:i have some tuna fish canned with an exp date of 2006. How long passed exp date can you still eat them? I am thinking of just tossing them to the trash, but before I do, I like to ask what F2 experts think.


Here are the rules with old canned goods:

1) Is the can dented, rusted or otherwise compromised vis-a-vis physical integrity? If so, then discard.

2) Do the contents smell unusual? If so, then discard.

3) Do the contents taste unusual? If so, then discard.

4) Otherwise, enjoy. It's fine.
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. said:If oils go bad, why wouldn't tuna?

basics of modern canned food: air tight seal; contents of can heated very quickly to temp beyond which bacteria die and held there just long enough to ensure that the bacteria have died.



There's no oil in canned tuna?

contents would include oil. the air tight sealing of aseptic contents would prevent spoliage.

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So if you put oil in a tuna can and sealed it properly, it would last for a decade?
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thank you F2, home of this and other world's best experts on virtually any subjects
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. said:So if you put oil in a tuna can and sealed it properly, it would last for a decade?



depends on the oil. Some oils last, others go bad with time.

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