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  WTF? They've discovered the God Particle?
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Chip said:I keep asking people what this discovery means for the avg person, nobody has an answer.

It means nothing for the average person. The Higgs Boson was proposed as a part of the Standard Model of particle physics. It was the last particle of the model to remain unfound by experiment. Now they're claiming they've found it. Finding it only completes the bestiary for the Standard Model. Change in your life: ZERO.

You're not going to have superluminal travel, or teleportation, or even fusion. All those are impossible. Sadly, people are still letting their governments pour billions into pointless fusion research.
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. said:It means nothing for the average person. The Higgs Boson was proposed as a part of the Standard Model of particle physics. It was the last particle of the model to remain unfound by experiment. Now they're claiming they've found it. Finding it only completes the bestiary for the Standard Model. Change in your life: ZERO.

You're not going to have superluminal travel, or teleportation, or even fusion. All those are impossible. Sadly, people are still letting their governments pour billions into pointless fusion research.

anti grav and forcefields. tractor beams. the ability to manipulate matter at a distance.
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Chip said:I keep asking people what this discovery means for the avg person, nobody has an answer.

It means nothing for the average person. The Higgs Boson was proposed as a part of the Standard Model of particle physics. It was the last particle of the model to remain unfound by experiment. Now they're claiming they've found it. Finding it only completes the bestiary for the Standard Model. Change in your life: ZERO.

You're not going to have superluminal travel, or teleportation, or even fusion. All those are impossible. Sadly, people are still letting their governments pour billions into pointless fusion research.



Um, aren't hydrogen bombs "fusion"?
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Chip said:I keep asking people what this discovery means for the avg person, nobody has an answer.



Can we hurry up and invent the mass effect drive now? I want to sex up some blue-skinned space babes.
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You can bet that if the Tevatron had discovered it, the Sepps on here would be crowing about it with "USA #1!" but because it was a european organization that found it, they lose interest.
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Everytime I hear

SO WHUT? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME?
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I think of two things.

(1) The consumer paradigm could not be more baked into contempory culture. As if everything is there for your narcissistic benefit.

(2) Like your Iphone? It was made possible by a boatload of quantum mechanics. Including a ton of esoteric discoveries in the 50s and 60s that people had no practical application for then.

If anything, this discovery proves that math rules everything. If it can be mathematically described and mathematically relatable to known axioms, it -fucking- exists and it's only a matter of time before it's proven as a factual discovery. That's the beauty of the standard model, and the beauty of this discovery. Among other gems.

The CERN announcement was incredibly important, and it's sad that scientific illiteracy is so bad in the US that people don't even comprehend a simple reason to be a little bit humble about it. Instead you get lots of

WHO CARES? THIS STUFF IS USELESS TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. WE SHOULD GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE TAXPAYER! CANCEL THE FUNDING FOR THE SUPERCONDUCTING SUPER COLLIDER. ITS WORTHLESS!
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. said:You can bet that if the Tevatron had discovered it, the Sepps on here would be crowing about it with "USA #1!" but because it was a european organization that found it, they lose interest.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

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. said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider



It would have been more powerful than the LHC but was cancelled back in the 90s due to budget problems. Sums up America these days, really.
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. said:It would have been more powerful than the LHC but was cancelled back in the 90s due to budget problems. Sums up America these days, really.


Hey, as long as people keep singing the

GOBMINT IS THE PROBLEM!
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song, it's going to continue this way. Government is what you fucking make it. If you want a hall monitor government, you get what you get. If you want the government that created the moon landing, social security and federal disaster relief, ASK FOR IT.
BobHopesColostomyBag
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. said:Everytime I hear

SO WHUT? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME?
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:madison:

I think of two things.

(1) The consumer paradigm could not be more baked into contempory culture. As if everything is there for your narcissistic benefit.

(2) Like your Iphone? It was made possible by a boatload of quantum mechanics. Including a ton of esoteric discoveries in the 50s and 60s that people had no practical application for then.

If anything, this discovery proves that math rules everything. If it can be mathematically described and mathematically relatable to known axioms, it -fucking- exists and it's only a matter of time before it's proven as a factual discovery. That's the beauty of the standard model, and the beauty of this discovery. Among other gems.

The CERN announcement was incredibly important, and it's sad that scientific illiteracy is so bad in the US that people don't even comprehend a simple reason to be a little bit humble about it. Instead you get lots of

WHO CARES? THIS STUFF IS USELESS TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. WE SHOULD GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE TAXPAYER! CANCEL THE FUNDING FOR THE SUPERCONDUCTING SUPER COLLIDER. ITS WORTHLESS!
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The real shame is that the USA wasted trillions on banker bail outs, and stupid pointless wars but didn't have the money or the balls to finish the Superconducting Supercollider

http://assets.nybooks.com/media/photo/2012/04/17/weinberg_1-051012_jpg_497x500_crop_q85.jpg
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WE NEED THAT MONEY TO FEED SHO'QUEEFAH'S 12 BABBIES!
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Chip said:All important obviously, but when will we get flying cars and hoverboards?



These were Steve Jobs last projects before the evil gribs so cruelly took him but Apple will be bringing them out in due course
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The Fifth Element
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Stephen Hawking lost a hundred bucks.He bet against finding the Higgs Boson.


Good job, SCIENCE. Way to kick a crippled dude when hes down.
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After reading up on it a bit it seems that they might have found the God particle.

I'm guessing they need more funding. :laugh:
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. said:Answer: Not much at the moment.

It's just proving that what so far has been a theory, might be correct. The theory is important. It is a missing piece of a puzzle, one which explains quite a lot about physics.

As for what it means for the future, nobody can say - which is maybe the answer you're talking about. The excitement is because the more we understand about how things work, the more likely we are to be able to use it to our advantage.

Worm holes? Interstellar travel? Without understanding the physics of it, it will never happen. When we understand the physics, maybe it can happen, or maybe we can prove it's not possible.

Finding the God particle means we are a step closer to knowing these answers.


THIS.

and even then Ive been keeping up with this for years and the media still manages to fuck up the subject and the facts at hand even further.

The findings only support further evidence of the "God" (too hard to explain unified theory to the masses press? :mad:) particle.

A significant find but not definite proof.

What's ironic is that Peter Higgs is an atheist and hates the term "the God particle" primarily for the obvious reason, but also because it inflates the particle's actual importance.

This is why science is always inferior to religion. Jesus slingers are always 100 percent certain no matter how much evidence they have. :lol:

Hawkings is looking older and poorer (still better than Ferret); but that was a cheeky smile at the end, he's still going strong.
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Revolution is the only solution

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. said:Everytime I hear

SO WHUT? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ME?
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:madison:

I think of two things.

(1) The consumer paradigm could not be more baked into contempory culture. As if everything is there for your narcissistic benefit.

(2) Like your Iphone? It was made possible by a boatload of quantum mechanics. Including a ton of esoteric discoveries in the 50s and 60s that people had no practical application for then.

If anything, this discovery proves that math rules everything. If it can be mathematically described and mathematically relatable to known axioms, it -fucking- exists and it's only a matter of time before it's proven as a factual discovery. That's the beauty of the standard model, and the beauty of this discovery. Among other gems.

The CERN announcement was incredibly important, and it's sad that scientific illiteracy is so bad in the US that people don't even comprehend a simple reason to be a little bit humble about it. Instead you get lots of

WHO CARES? THIS STUFF IS USELESS TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. WE SHOULD GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THE TAXPAYER! CANCEL THE FUNDING FOR THE SUPERCONDUCTING SUPER COLLIDER. ITS WORTHLESS!
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:potd:
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. said:Perhaps soon. The thing is, once we know how something is made, we can usually figure out how to manipulate it.



Nonsense
BobHopesColostomyBag
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. said:Perhaps soon. The thing is, once we know how something is made, we can usually figure out how to manipulate it.



Nonsense



Scanning tunneling microscope much? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanning_tunneling_microscope



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Cens_nanomanipulation3d_Trixler.jpg


The STM is based on the concept of quantum tunneling. When a conducting tip is brought very near to the surface to be examined, a bias (voltage difference) applied between the two can allow electrons to tunnel through the vacuum between them. The resulting tunneling current is a function of tip position, applied voltage, and the local density of states (LDOS) of the sample.[4] Information is acquired by monitoring the current as the tip's position scans across the surface, and is usually displayed in image form. STM can be a challenging technique, as it requires extremely clean and stable surfaces, sharp tips, excellent vibration control, and sophisticated electronics.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

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If we can manipulate the Higgs field, we can eliminate mass locally. In theory, that would mean that we could also manipulate space itself in fundamental ways and, as the universe has already demonstrated, space is not bound by relativity and can expand faster than light. So, in theory, some sort of "warp drive" is possible.
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This is exciting stuff, and I'm sure as hell glad we're not paying for it.
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You're not going to have superluminal travel, or teleportation, or even fusion.



HOW DO SUN WORKS?
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Chip said:I keep asking people what this discovery means for the avg person, nobody has an answer.



Answer: Not much at the moment.

It's just proving that what so far has been a theory, might be correct. The theory is important. It is a missing piece of a puzzle, one which explains quite a lot about physics.

As for what it means for the future, nobody can say - which is maybe the answer you're talking about. The excitement is because the more we understand about how things work, the more likely we are to be able to use it to our advantage.

Worm holes? Interstellar travel? Without understanding the physics of it, it will never happen. When we understand the physics, maybe it can happen, or maybe we can prove it's not possible.

Finding the God particle means we are a step closer to knowing these answers.



:motorcycle: to all of the above, adding only that the discovery of the particle and the validation of the Standard Theory are the final nails in the coffin of religious superstition.

We now know that a Supreme Being isn't necessary to the orderly operation of the universe that in the universe, whatever isn't necessary doesn't exist.
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. said:This is exciting stuff, and I'm sure as hell glad we're not paying for it.



Spoken like a true :tyrone:
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. said:If we can manipulate the Higgs field, we can eliminate mass locally. In theory, that would mean that we could also manipulate space itself in fundamental ways and, as the universe has already demonstrated, space is not bound by relativity and can expand faster than light. So, in theory, some sort of "warp drive" is possible.



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