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  I don't understand the "Schrodinger's Cat" paradox. If the cat is alive, it's alive. If it's dead, it's dead.
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Why do philosophers have to create alternate universes, just because I'm not looking at the cat?
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I just don't get it.
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But it's neither alive or dead until you look at it.
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yet more wankery passing itself off as intellectualism. is there no end to male stupidity
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. said:yet more wankery passing itself off as intellectualism. is there no end to male stupidity



Well, they made the atom bomb and transistors from that wankery.
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It's both alive and dead but in different universes. You don't know which universe you are in until you open the box. Quantum Mechanics is so screwy, you pretty much have to have an infinite number of universes to make any sense of it.
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. said:But it's neither alive or dead until you look at it.



No, if it's alive, it's alive. If it's dead, it's dead.

Just because I'm not looking at the cat (and thus dont know if the cat is alive or dead), doesn't change the state of the cat. It just alters the neurons in my brain, so my brain admits that it doesn't know the cat's state.

You don't need to create alternate universes.
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. said:It's both alive and dead but in different universes. You don't know which universe you are in until you open the box. Quantum Mechanics is so screwy, you pretty much have to have an infinite number of universes to make any sense of it.



The alternate universe stuff is philosophical bullshit.
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lol wut?
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It is pretty much a metaphore.

While individual subatomic particles can be shown exhibiting this actual behavior, it is pretty much non operational at the molecular level and larger, unless there is something we still dont know about matter on a larger scale
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Observation collapses the quantum state. What garbage. Just perverse confusion of subjectivity and objectivity for the sake of pseudo- intellectual fetishism.
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. said:But it's neither alive or dead until you look at it.



No, if it's alive, it's alive. If it's dead, it's dead.


No one is deny those trivial facts.

The point is that the cat is neither alive nor dead unless it is interacted with in a way that collapses the wave function.

It has nothing to do with our KNOWLEDGE of the situation. It is fundamentally neither alive nor dead prior to collapse.
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Yo, first things first, nigga. Tell me bout dat 'wheel' again.
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anon.hen said:Observation collapses the quantum state. What garbage. Just perverse confusion of subjectivity and objectivity for the sake of pseudo- intellectual fetishism.



Its science, you and that fat whore oprah would never understand
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. said:No, if it's alive, it's alive. If it's dead, it's dead.




True.

But YOU don't know which is which until you open the box.
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anon.hen said:Observation collapses the quantum state. What garbage. Just perverse confusion of subjectivity and objectivity for the sake of pseudo- intellectual fetishism.


Fuck off Claire. The adults are talking.
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. said:yet more wankery passing itself off as intellectualism. is there no end to male stupidity



Shut the fuck up, Val
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anon.hen said:Observation collapses the quantum state. What garbage. Just perverse confusion of subjectivity and objectivity for the sake of pseudo- intellectual fetishism.


Fuck off Claire. The adults are talking.



If she doesn't shut up just post some of her emails.
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. said:No, if it's alive, it's alive. If it's dead, it's dead.




True.

But YOU don't know which is which until you open the box.


Again, it's not about KNOWLEDGE. It's about the underlying reality of the cat. Before interaction, the cat is in a superposition of alive and dead states - it has not yet collapsed into a single state.
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. said:Its science, you and that fat whore oprah would never understand



How is it possible not to know what almighty wankers you are when you keep broadcasting it?
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. said:It is pretty much a metaphore.

While individual subatomic particles can be shown exhibiting this actual behavior, it is pretty much non operational at the molecular level and larger, unless there is something we still dont know about matter on a larger scale



No it's not. The trigger mechanism for the poison or gun is set up to be triggered by a single photon. If the photon is a particle, the gun is triggered, and the cat is dead. If the photon is a wave, the cat lives.
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. said:Again, it's not about KNOWLEDGE. It's about the underlying reality of the cat. Before interaction, the cat is in a superposition of alive and dead states - it has not yet collapsed into a single state.



:lol: Hilarious.
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. said:Again, it's not about KNOWLEDGE. It's about the underlying reality of the cat. Before interaction, the cat is in a superposition of alive and dead states - it has not yet collapsed into a single state.



Bullshit. It has collapsed into a single state, it's just that my brain doesn't know which state, until I open the box.

You do not need to create alternate universes to accomodate my brain which doesn't know which state the cat is in.
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Humans have brains? Who knew?

:fancy:
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It would seem preposterous if the basic principle wasn't proven through the double slit experiment. If you can come up with another explanation for the results of that experiment, your eternal fame is guaranteed.

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