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sandman said:Because the money supply has a finite limit. If you notice it was loose in the beginning but quickly tightens. Not sure at what point on the curve that they are at but it is certainly a tighter point than before.

This means that the ability to accumulate bitcoins becomes exponentially more difficult.

So why bother?

You are better off standing on the street and rattling a tin cup. Really.



Yes the money supply is finite, but they are also divisible to 8 decimal places and that can be extended further.

You can sell goods and services to acquire them too.. thats kinda what they are meant for.
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. said:Me 20k in bitcoins = :winner:, The SANE WORLD = :rofl:

Fixed.
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. said:Yes the money supply is finite, but they are also divisible to 8 decimal places and that can be extended further.

You can sell goods and services to acquire them too.. thats kinda what they are meant for.



How many bitcoins would one U.S. dollar purchase?
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.. said:Apple produces things. What exactly is produced by Bitcoins?

I used my GPU to produce money!!! :trev: It's a great idea. :rolleyes:

You don't believe me!? Well lets ask the inventor!


Satoshi Nakamoto is the founder of Bitcoin and initial author of the Original Bitcoin client. He has said in a p2p foundation profile that he is from Japan. Beyond that, not much is known about him.

His identity and nationality are unknown. The few bits of information available about him point to Japan, he never wrote a single line of Japanese, the Bitcoin client has no Japanese version and there is no Japanese page on bitcoin.org.

He is entirely unknown outside of Bitcoin as far as anyone can tell, and his PGP key was created just months prior to the date of the genesis block. He seems to be very familiar with the cryptography mailing list, but there are no non-Bitcoin posts from him on it. He has used an email address from an anonymous mail hosting service (vistomail) as well as one from a free webmail account (gmx.com) and sends mail when connected via Tor.


Yeah, that sounds like it's on the up and up. :rofl:

Here's a CLUE: You're being played you dumb fuck. Bitcoins are the Flooze of today. Except they're worth even less outside of your little world of Trevs and Basement Boys. :lol:



The inventor doesn't matter, its the code and algorythym that matter. Its solid as a rock. Yes your producing currency that easily transferrable and has no fees that has alot of value right there. How else do you put a peer to peer currency? Just give it to anyone who signs up? Without people mining the network would be hacked. Mining keeps the network strong and secure.

As posted in this thread, lots of stores are already accepting it for payment in NYC. Once one store sees someone doing it, they will copy in order to get more business. So its already working as a currency "dumb fuck". I'll hire you to wash my toilets for some bitcents one day in the future if you need some food.
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sandman said:You also can't have many more bitcoins. Which means that whoever hoarded them in the beginning (the founders) cornered the bitcoin market right from the beginning.

Anybody who spends one cent on something like this should go into a photography business with James.



Of course you can have more bitcoins if they are used as money. You're another one of these fucking idiots, aren't you.

You understand 0 about economics.

It doesn't matter what you use for money, you can have inflation or deflation.

Look at gold in the year 1000. In a given community there was a fixed amount of gold. And yet they had massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts.

Do you know why? Because even though the currency in a monetary system is finite, you can ALWAYS print as much of that currency as you want unless you put restrictions on the economy. Since there are no restrictions on bitcoins, if they are ever actually used for money, they will have massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts just like gold in 1000+ A.D.

But you don't even understand why, do you? Because you are an economic moron.
Math guy.
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sandman said:How many bitcoins would one U.S. dollar purchase?



14 dollars buys you one bitcoin, so do the math.
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sandman said:
. said:Yes the money supply is finite, but they are also divisible to 8 decimal places and that can be extended further.

You can sell goods and services to acquire them too.. thats kinda what they are meant for.



How many bitcoins would one U.S. dollar purchase?



Hold on... He's booting up another Linux box to check the exchange rate and the time of your post to the microsecond. :lol:
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. said:Of course you can have more bitcoins if they are used as money. You're another one of these fucking idiots, aren't you.

You understand 0 about economics.

It doesn't matter what you use for money, you can have inflation or deflation.

Look at gold in the year 1000. In a given community there was a fixed amount of gold. And yet they had massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts.

Do you know why? Because even though the currency in a monetary system is finite, you can ALWAYS print as much of that currency as you want unless you put restrictions on the economy. Since there are no restrictions on bitcoins, if they are ever actually used for money, they will have massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts just like gold in 1000+ A.D.

But you don't even understand why, do you? Beca
use you are an economic moron.



No you can't have more bitcoins. It caps out at 21 million. Please tell me how there will be more? lol
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. said:No you can't have more bitcoins. It caps out at 21 million. Please tell me how there will be more? lol



we've seen that the authentication system can be falsified
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. said:The inventor doesn't matter, its the code and algorythym that matter. Its solid as a rock. Yes your producing currency that easily transferrable and has no fees that has alot of value right there. How else do you put a peer to peer currency? Just give it to anyone who signs up? Without people mining the network would be hacked. Mining keeps the network strong and secure.

As posted in this thread, lots of stores are already accepting it for payment in NYC. Once one store sees someone doing it, they will copy in order to get more business. So its already working as a currency "dumb fuck". I'll hire you to wash my toilets for some bitcents one day in the future if you need some food.



It's the rock solid algorythym! Buy now or be priced out forever!! :winner: Spelling not required.

Trade you some Flooze for your super valuable mined bitcoins? :lol:

Good luck with your riches. :lmao:
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. said:we've seen that the authentication system can be falsified



What are you talking about? The hack? that had nothing to do with bitcoins, that was a Private exchange. There are like 10 other exchanges.. probably more.
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Hmm these Dominatrix bitches accept bitcoins. Maybe the :trev: are onto something.

http://www.fortressnyc.com/forum/topic/3306-bitcoin/

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. said:we've seen that the authentication system can be falsified



What are you talking about? The hack? that had nothing to do with bitcoins, that was a Private exchange. There are like 10 other exchanges.. probably more.



So there are like 10 other points of possible hacking. That certainly makes it safer. :lol:
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.. said:So there are like 10 other points of possible hacking. That certainly makes it safer. :lol:



:rofl:

:mittens:
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.. said:So there are like 10 other points of possible hacking. That certainly makes it safer. :lol:



You dont understand. Bitcoin is totally seperate. If I'm selling bitcoins out of a store on main street and my store burns down, it doesn't mean bitcoins have burned down. This is your logic.

The bitcoin program has not been hacked.
sandman
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. said:Of course you can have more bitcoins if they are used as money. You're another one of these fucking idiots, aren't you.

You understand 0 about economics.

It doesn't matter what you use for money, you can have inflation or deflation.

Look at gold in the year 1000. In a given community there was a fixed amount of gold. And yet they had massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts.

Do you know why? Because even though the currency in a monetary system is finite, you can ALWAYS print as much of that currency as you want unless you put restrictions on the economy. Since there are no restrictions on bitcoins, if they are ever actually used for money, they will have massive inflation, deflation, booms and busts just like gold in 1000+ A.D.

But you don't even understand why, do you? Because you are an economic moron.



It's called perception which influences supply and demand. Bitcoins will only be worth something as long as people believe they will be worth something. When enough people realize how worthless they really are the bitcoin market will crash.

The bitcoin concept is different. The supply is limited even though they supposedly can be taken out to eight decimal points.

It's a retarded concept that makes money even harder to understand for the average person. Therefore, only internet nerds are going to buy into this, and when the internet nerd supply runs out, the market for bitcoins is going to tank.

And once it tanks it is not coming back.
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A pyramid scheme is a form of fraud similar in some ways to a Ponzi scheme, relying as it does on a mistaken belief in a nonexistent financial reality, including the hope of an extremely high rate of return. However, several characteristics distinguish these schemes from Ponzi schemes:

In a Ponzi scheme, the schemer acts as a "hub" for the victims, interacting with all of them directly. In a pyramid scheme, those who recruit additional participants benefit directly. (In fact, failure to recruit typically means no investment return.)

A Ponzi scheme claims to rely on some esoteric investment approach (insider connections, etc.) and often attracts well-to-do investors; whereas pyramid schemes explicitly claim that new money will be the source of payout for the initial investments.

A pyramid scheme is bound to collapse much faster because it requires exponential increases in participants to sustain it. By contrast, Ponzi schemes can survive simply by persuading most existing participants to "reinvest" their money, with a relatively small number of new participants.

A bubble: A bubble is similar to a Ponzi scheme in that one participant gets paid by contributions from a subsequent participant (until inevitable collapse), but it is not the same as a Ponzi scheme. A bubble involves ever-rising prices in an open market (for example stock, housing, or tulip bulbs) where prices rise because buyers bid more because prices are rising. Bubbles are often said to be based on the "greater fool" theory. As with the Ponzi scheme, the price exceeds the intrinsic value of the item, but unlike the Ponzi scheme, there is no person misrepresenting the intrinsic value. With the greater fool theory in mind, some may invest even though they believe the securities are overpriced due to a bubble.

See also: Greater Fool theory


Keep trolling for the bigger fools son. :lol:
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sandman said:It's called perception which influences supply and demand. Bitcoins will only be worth something as long as people believe they will be worth something. When enough people realize how worthless they really are the bitcoin market will crash.

The bitcoin concept is different. The supply is limited even though they supposedly can be taken out to eight decimal points.

It's a retarded concept that makes money even harder to understand for the average person. Therefore, only internet nerds are going to buy into this, and when the internet nerd supply runs out, the market for bitcoins is going to tank.

And once it tanks it is not coming back.



^^ average person
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Math guy. said:14 dollars buys you one bitcoin, so do the math.



So if someone has 20,000 of them, how quickly could they be sold?
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. said:No you can't have more bitcoins. It caps out at 21 million. Please tell me how there will be more? lol



Because you don't understand MONEY, you don't even understand what inflation and deflation is.

When you have something that is used as money, you will have lending.

A short history less from something you would know if you knew anything about economics.

In 1000AD or so, gold coins were used as money. There were goldsmiths that would deal with coinage and gold.

People would pay to have the goldsmiths keep their money because they didn't want to keep them on their person or in their house or they'd get stolen.

Some goldsmith came up with a better idea. Instead of people paying to deposit coins with him, he would pay people to deposit their coins. He would do that by taking the coins on deposit and lending them out.

Lending is what you have inflation, deflation, etc.

Example:

bob gives goldsmith 1 coin
goldsmith lends 1 gold coin to fred
fred buys something from joe
joe gives the goldsmith 1 coin
goldsmith loans the 1 coin to sue

You only have 1 gold coin in the world, right? That's fucking it.

How many gold coins are in the economy now?

bob has 1 gold coin (on deposit)
joe has 1 gold coin (on deposit)
sue has 1 gold coin in her hand to spend

That is how you get inflation. There are 3 gold coins in the economy even though only 1 gold coin physically exists.

Notice there is no fucking "banksters" in this example.

Now, when lending is "easy" you have inflation in prices. When people can borrow millions to buy homes, homes become more expensive.

You have INFLATION. When people don't pay the fucking loans back, you can have DEFLATION.

It doesn't fucking matter what you use for money. Gold, tally sticks, giant rocks on the island of Yap (look it up, it is what they used for money)

you can have inflation, deflation etc.
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I might buy a couple of bitcoins for the novelty of saying that I own one.

Kind of like buying a pet rock. You buy it because its kind of fun to do.
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sandman said:So if someone has 20,000 of them, how quickly could they be sold?



Pretty quickly. Some people dump 10k to 15k at one time on Mt. Gox.
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Now, why would anyone put bitcoins on deposit? Because they can get interest for it.

And how could anyone ever lend bitcoins out? Oh there are MANY examples where you can make interest if you take in bitcoins.

And once you have someone paying interest and you get inflation because there are more bitcoins "out there" by lending and relending, more and more people need to put money on deposit to get interest as their bitcoins are worth less and less.

Know any history? Fuck no. Read up on it. Anyone who thinks "oh, there's only 100 bitcoins so there can never be inflation and they will only go up in value"

is a fucking idiot for 2 reasons.

1. Just because someone is limited in number means fuck all whether it goes up in value. I have old socks in my drawer. There are only 20 or so of them. They won't be going up in value just because they are fucking limited in number, will they.

2. Just because something is limited, once you actually start using it for money doesn't mean you'll have deflation or that the money supply will be fucking limited. The money supply is a result of LENDING.

Bitcoins is a simple Ponzi scheme. The hook is "mining" because it drags in people who have an interest in promoting bitcoins by giving them an ability to create a few themselves.

So, you have this base of people who push this stupid fucking idea to others. The first people in get paid, the rest get fucked. That's how all Ponzi scheme's work.

But you don't care, do you. Because you think (dream) you are in the first group of people. Same thing happened in the Great Depression with leverage and buying stocks on margin of $1 to $10.

People knew the game was rigged by stock pools but they bought anyway because they hoped they were in the initial group who made the money off the suckers at the end.

But they were always the suckers at the end.

Fuck people are stupid.
sandman
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. said:Because you don't understand MONEY, you don't even understand what inflation and deflation is.

When you have something that is used as money, you will have lending.

A short history less from something you would know if you knew anything about economics.

In 1000AD or so, gold coins were used as money. There were goldsmiths that would deal with coinage and gold.

People would pay to have the goldsmiths keep their money because they didn't want to keep them on their person or in their house or they'd get stolen.

Some goldsmith came up with a better idea. Instead of people paying to deposit coins with him, he would pay people to deposit their coins. He would do that by taking the coins on deposit and lending them out.

Lending is what you have inflation, deflation, etc.

Example:

bob gives goldsmith 1 coin
goldsmith lends 1 gold coin to fred
fred buys something from joe
joe gives the goldsmith 1 coin
goldsmith loans the 1 coin to sue

You only have 1 gold coin in the world, right? That's fucking it.

How many gold coins are in the economy now?

bob has 1 gold coin (on deposit)
joe has 1 gold coin (on deposit)
sue has 1 gold coin in her hand to spend

That is how you get inflation. There are 3 gold coins in the economy even though only 1 gold coin physically exists.

Notice there is no fucking "banksters" in this example.

Now, when lending is "easy" you have inflation in prices. When people can borrow millions to buy homes, homes become more expensive.

You have INFLATION. When people don't pay the fucking loans back, you can have DEFLATION.

It doesn't fucking matter what you use for money. Gold, tally sticks, giant rocks on the island of Yap (look it up, it is what they used for money)

you can have inflation, deflation etc.



What you are failing...I mean absolutely failing to understand......or refusing to understand...is that the market for bitcoins is limited. The MARKET is limited.

Anybody who has capital and a clue will open up a bitcoin exchange. Say, trade amazon gift cards for bitcoins. But they'll take a large percentage off the top.

Become the middle man for the medium of exchange of the bitcoins and fleece these nerds.
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. said:Pretty quickly. Some people dump 10k to 15k at one time on Mt. Gox.



Right:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox

MtGox imposes a $1000 USD limit for withdrawals per 24 hours and a $10000 USD limit for withdrawals per month.

Another example of bitcoin Ponzi bullshit

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