Shiny New Kid said:

I think we missed our chance as a species.

q said:

I've always said, that Man has only one foot on the technology ladder. Kick it away and we would be unable to rebuild it.

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q said:

Obama announced a manned mission to Mars' moons. Thats pretty damned close, and its probably easier to stage a rover there anyway.

How old are you? Decade wise? I'm not quite 40, and I think I'll see one before I'm 60.

BOOKMARK THIS FREAD! The board will be long dead by then, but, still...

Not quite 40 you say.

I guess your bullshit about being in the army at Oka in the spring of 1989 (22 years ago) is just that, bullshit.

q said:

JesusNEVERexisted said:

That's right. Obama cancelled the moon trips but set his sights on Mars which is a LOT better anyway.

I bet we'll see a manned mission to Mars within 20 years!

The thing is, I think the experts were right. You establish a moon base, and then you take off from there.

Unless they're a hell of a lot closer to the 100 year spaceship thing than they let on

. said:

What if the Chinese get there first, and resolve to SHOOT DOWN any American craft that attempt to land?

U cwazy whyte man. Domt wand on ouw pwanet or we shwoot U down!
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. said:

The Chinese have no advanced technology that was not based on technology stolen or otherwise procured from Western, primarily American sources.

For them to get a manned expedition to Mars, there would first have to be an American Mars-capable manned spacecraft for them to copy.

Fwuck you gwingo
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. said:

Don't be such a pessimist.

Atlantis came close, but an Ice Age and a volcano cut them short.

Ancient Greece and Rome could have put a man on the Moon by 900AD, were it not for the culture-busting influence of Christianity which led to the Dark Ages.

It looks like we're about to enter into another Dark Ages. But there's every likelihood, 5,000 or10,000 years from now, that another human civilization may advance far enough but next time do it RIGHT.

. said:

Quixar has been a really pathetic Canadian version of Bensa since forever.

. said:

. said:

Don't be such a pessimist.

Atlantis came close, but an Ice Age and a volcano cut them short.

Ancient Greece and Rome could have put a man on the Moon by 900AD, were it not for the culture-busting influence of Christianity which led to the Dark Ages.

It looks like we're about to enter into another Dark Ages. But there's every likelihood, 5,000 or10,000 years from now, that another human civilization may advance far enough but next time do it RIGHT.

Those civilizations didnt rely on cheap, easily obtainable fossil fuels. All the low hanging fruit has been plucked, so if there is some sort of worldwide disaster and the human race has to start anew, there will be no easily recovered resources.

mr the horse said:

Chinese will be on Mars before America returns to the Moon. Bookmark this thread.

With me in charge, you'd better believe it!
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. said:

they had access to limitless resources, hundreds of thousands of slaves, and the ability to enforce their decrees through force.

. said:

So, what's Obama's excuse?

Shiny New Kid said:

I think we missed our chance as a species.

The energy locked up in oil gave our species an immense boost. By the addition of energy to everything we had the chance to really our species a chance to move forward. The food surpluses from mechanised farming and the increased output from mechanised manufacturing freed people from subsistence to produce the greatest strides forward our species has ever known.

Unfortunately, as a species we assumed this easy boost of energy would last forever and squandered it on letting move around in a billion individual 2 ton steel boxes, build and heat and cool houses vastly larger than we ever needed miles away from where we need to be to be productive and filling those houses with plastic crap made half a world away.

Oh yeah, and we refused any kind of fertility control so now we have 7 times as many people that we squander our resources on pumping artificial fertilisers into and destroying the soil's fertility merely so that we can keep billions temporarily alive.

And this one time boost that we were given is fizzling out. And we didn't get high enough.

What remains will be squandered trying to keep an outsized population alive and for a certain tiny percentage, trying to keep going a lifestyle predicated on unlimited supplies of the stuff.

And it was a one time thing for our species. There's no new equivalent of oil sitting under the ground we haven't discovered yet.

We had our shot at making it off this planet and able to utilise the resources of a solar system, but we didn't make it.

Now we're already on the down trajectory, but some don't recognise and still dream the dreams that were only ever possible while we still on the upslope.

Shiny New Kid said:

I think we missed our chance as a species.

The energy locked up in oil gave our species an immense boost. By the addition of energy to everything we had the chance to really our species a chance to move forward. The food surpluses from mechanised farming and the increased output from mechanised manufacturing freed people from subsistence to produce the greatest strides forward our species has ever known.

Unfortunately, as a species we assumed this easy boost of energy would last forever and squandered it on letting move around in a billion individual 2 ton steel boxes, build and heat and cool houses vastly larger than we ever needed miles away from where we need to be to be productive and filling those houses with plastic crap made half a world away.

Oh yeah, and we refused any kind of fertility control so now we have 7 times as many people that we squander our resources on pumping artificial fertilisers into and destroying the soil's fertility merely so that we can keep billions temporarily alive.

And this one time boost that we were given is fizzling out. And we didn't get high enough.

What remains will be squandered trying to keep an outsized population alive and for a certain tiny percentage, trying to keep going a lifestyle predicated on unlimited supplies of the stuff.

And it was a one time thing for our species. There's no new equivalent of oil sitting under the ground we haven't discovered yet.

We had our shot at making it off this planet and able to utilise the resources of a solar system, but we didn't make it.

Now we're already on the down trajectory, but some don't recognise and still dream the dreams that were only ever possible while we still on the upslope.

. said:

Shiny New Kid said:

I think we missed our chance as a species.

The energy locked up in oil gave our species an immense boost. By the addition of energy to everything we had the chance to really our species a chance to move forward. The food surpluses from mechanised farming and the increased output from mechanised manufacturing freed people from subsistence to produce the greatest strides forward our species has ever known.

Unfortunately, as a species we assumed this easy boost of energy would last forever and squandered it on letting move around in a billion individual 2 ton steel boxes, build and heat and cool houses vastly larger than we ever needed miles away from where we need to be to be productive and filling those houses with plastic crap made half a world away.

Oh yeah, and we refused any kind of fertility control so now we have 7 times as many people that we squander our resources on pumping artificial fertilisers into and destroying the soil's fertility merely so that we can keep billions temporarily alive.

And this one time boost that we were given is fizzling out. And we didn't get high enough.

What remains will be squandered trying to keep an outsized population alive and for a certain tiny percentage, trying to keep going a lifestyle predicated on unlimited supplies of the stuff.

And it was a one time thing for our species. There's no new equivalent of oil sitting under the ground we haven't discovered yet.

We had our shot at making it off this planet and able to utilise the resources of a solar system, but we didn't make it.

Now we're already on the down trajectory, but some don't recognise and still dream the dreams that were only ever possible while we still on the upslope.

Blame America - 5% of the global population using over 25% of the worlds total resources.

. said:

Gotta pay for my tax cuts somehow
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yeah the ones I extended cause I'm a stupid kaffir
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BobHopesColostomyBag said:

The US and the entire industrialized world is utterly bankrupt mainly thanks to the banking system swindling everybody with derivatives.

Where all those trillions have vanished to is another question but you can rest assured the world's wealth will no longer be used to financed space exploration or increased food production or alternative energy sources.

Right now it's being used to finance anti aging medicine so all those 90+ year old trillionaires can live forever...

Shiny New Kid said:

Our civilisation doesn't have the surpluses of output to mount programs like this anymore.

Eventually every scrap of energy we can harvest will be used purely to keep people alive at a subsistence level.

Shiny New Kid said:

I think we missed our chance as a species.

The energy locked up in oil gave our species an immense boost. By the addition of energy to everything we had the chance to really our species a chance to move forward. The food surpluses from mechanised farming and the increased output from mechanised manufacturing freed people from subsistence to produce the greatest strides forward our species has ever known.

Unfortunately, as a species we assumed this easy boost of energy would last forever and squandered it on letting move around in a billion individual 2 ton steel boxes, build and heat and cool houses vastly larger than we ever needed miles away from where we need to be to be productive and filling those houses with plastic crap made half a world away.

Oh yeah, and we refused any kind of fertility control so now we have 7 times as many people that we squander our resources on pumping artificial fertilisers into and destroying the soil's fertility merely so that we can keep billions temporarily alive.

And this one time boost that we were given is fizzling out. And we didn't get high enough.

What remains will be squandered trying to keep an outsized population alive and for a certain tiny percentage, trying to keep going a lifestyle predicated on unlimited supplies of the stuff.

And it was a one time thing for our species. There's no new equivalent of oil sitting under the ground we haven't discovered yet.

We had our shot at making it off this planet and able to utilise the resources of a solar system, but we didn't make it.

Now we're already on the down trajectory, but some don't recognise and still dream the dreams that were only ever possible while we still on the upslope.
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