That is true. Back then in June I was slightly more objective. Go back even more and I was one of the troll who made very rude remarks. Not necessarily to Lara Logan though. But it changed little by little. Sometimes even in great leaps.
The thing that changed me really strongly happened in the end of august. After that i just couldn´t go on like before. It was just not possible anymore.
It´s a little complicated even for me. I am not a journalist but i have basic college journalist education (degree) and something of a journalists peckering may be inside of me. So i know exactly what Superjerk means.
I think i am TORN between conflicting EMOTIONs here. Part of me is enraged at the idea that huge and vital parts of an incident was hushed up to protect somebody and that at the price of misleading the people in a big way. Moreoever Kairo is only 3 flight hours away from me. It is very close to Europe (duh)
The other part of me is shuddering with Grief and shock and hurting at the trauma she must have suffered through. It seems exceptionally cruel and insensitive to demand ANYTHING from her to be honest. It just doesn´t feel right. I more have the strong urge to close ranks around her than to seriously bicker and pester her about some missing timeframe or location. That is what i don´t understand about the people who are posting here and calling her names and all that. I mean...she was not armed...she was defenseless...she was very alone...she only did her job...she even did something honorable and brave in covering the underdog´s revolution. And then this happens and we are NOT closing ranks around her?
That is really what i do not get emotionally speaking.
You are not entirely wrong with that. But when you start with human nature please also add Compassion and Empathy to that equation. It is also only human nature to want to protect her and save her from further harm. And i do think we are in the debt of seriously exploring these emotions in ourselves before we can go on demanding anything from her.
No, not the Marines. But a certain amount of "friends" would be a must. A mix of 20 normal guys and people who can take care of her when she is attacked or something. A therapist would be very good too.
Then let her get to Egypt as a tourist for a few days. And get her out after a few days.
I see it more of a necessary part of her therapy her return to Egypt. I think she needs that. God I NEED IT. It bugs me her saying she will never set foot on Egypt again. I don´t like that at all.
But she needs time. The problem is although she gets support from the public as she openly explained, it is not enough to really elevate her self esteem to the point before the attack. She still has troubles.
Now here for example in this board is a place where somebody can show support for her...in a small way that will help her too. Just saying.
You are right rationally it doesn´t matter. Emotionally? It does matter a huge deal. It has more to do with taboo-ized sex really is. I have recently learned how much difference there is in a certain religion between (male) gay anal sex and gay oral sex in terms of sin and punishment. Basically you are committing more of a sin when you have gay anal intercourse then with gay oral intercourse. To cut the long winded shit: That shows very clearly that in sexuality even small elements of difference are having huge consequences.
Right: There are at LEAST two big camps of participants and writers here: 1. The ones that want every detail of the assault and lurid detail (mostly added is the attempt at humiliating and debasing her) and 2. The ones that want to support and protect her (added is the attempt to discuss rape and sexual assault in a new way to really understand this and try to evolve into better human beings)
There may be people who fall a bit between the camps. I believe superjerk may have been one of these people and the meeting with Lara "positively shocked" him into the 2. camp.
I was pretty close to the 2. camp all the way but in the end of august i was also "shocked" fully into the 2. camp. I lost the illusion of objectivity there and became biased.
Remember: I said AT LEAST two camps.There may be little camps and single person who do not feel themselves attached to either big camp but doing their own thing.
Posted 11/15/2011 11:37 am
Mr Elitist, you know i have posted a few times suggesting Hillary was responsible to seek the truth for LL, and I think you and I know, this is never going to happen now for the reasons you gave Saturday night.
I have followed it all from day one, but now feel I am bound to agree with you, as a christian from a very multicultural society, we can only despise these animals who tortured her and pity their society that stood by and let it continue (in the name of jewish persecution) not only to her but many others.
The worst part is that it has not really changed our societies view of that country, and all the sexual violence that continues unabated, but this can also be said for most middle east countries, they see women's rights as secondary (see the outcome of this one, we even stayed there not knowing, never again!!!) http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/9307765-australian-woman-will-sue-for-rape-and-jail-in-dubai
After all this time the thread has progressed to a positive point, the truth will not change the world (only more divisive to multiculturalism) and understand what happens in that society is why she should never return.
Posted 11/15/2011 12:00 pm
"No. I won’t go back to Egypt. I don’t see that ever happening but maybe I’ll go back to somewhere else....It’s important to me that people don’t think that there’s kind of like a knee-jerk reaction, like oh, I’m never going back to the Middle East. ‘Cause if you’re not strong and on top of your game, there’s potential to compromise the people at your side and, you know, I can’t do that to them."
Yes to all what you wrote ;). But...i WANT her to return to Egypt to be honest. Maybe not as a reporter...but maybe that too someday. But i want...i NEED her to return to Egypt just to show her being victorious about what happened. I know it is selfish of me. But i think it would be a good thing. But only with good security do not get me wrong. She NEEDS to reconquer Egypt someday i feel it deep in my little frail human heart.
PS: "No. I won’t go back to Egypt. I don’t see that ever happening..." Lara Logan
"I believe you will, Lara. You will. I see that happening someday. I really do. But first: Heal as long as you need to. We will be waiting whenever you are ready." Real European Elitist
Posted 11/15/2011 6:55 pm
“Now that Hosni Mubarak released Lara Logan, he must put her intrepid hotness back on a plane to the United States immediately. In exchange, we will send Elisabeth Hasselbeck.”
seriously you just realized this. Sodomy as in sodom the city that got burned for there sexual sins. It's all there in the symbols. God never destroyed a city called Fellatia so that must be ok. Wait a sec I'll ask. Yo God are blowjobs bad, give me a sign. Nope no sign must be ok.
Posted 11/15/2011 7:36 pm
Also there are different political ramifications and connotations to gang-raped as opposed to raped by hands. I will still go back to this even after learing all I have learned. The reason CBS kept this so vague was due to state department pressure, it just had to be given that we know about Obama's call and Hillary's team of diplomats. The description of muslim men from the back streets of Cairo raping a white woman would have burned mosques all over the USA and Europe. We really don't like those people anyway. This would have been the match in the hay pile if the whole truth hit the web on Feb 11. This was handled in such a way as to manage that fallout. Instead, they release a vague statement on feb 17th. NO one does any independent reporting and all witnesses are ignored or repressed. Then they wait two months and do one 13 minute interview that omits all details and dimishes the severity and length of the actual attack. The whole time we are going to pretend that we don't know full well that agents of the egyptian government are responisble so that the world doesn't demand a suspension of diplomatic relations and we can all still pretend this revolution changes something besides the name of the guy who rules Egypt. Even after everything I still think she should clear a few things up. I don't think she owes us that as a woman. I think she owes us that as the great journalist that she is or was if they really did succeed in taking that from her. What happened to her was an attack on democracy, freedom of speech. What happened to her was an attack on western ideals of strong independent and sexually liberated women. I the details would clearly show that. As a journalist, she needed and still needs to make that clear. As a woman who was violently raped, I can understand why she has not.
Actually she already mentioned something like that. That she interprets the attack on her as an attack on the freedom of the speech and on the free press. I would add basic rights as a human being too. In fact these attackers attacked everyone of us not only in the western world but everywhere.
And just give her some more time. I believe she will come clean with this. We have to show her more support i guess. Next time one goes to a speech she gives he should tell her very directly that she has more support than she imagines. We are standing by her side the whole time.
