Posted 6/16/2011 2:45 pm
Oh yes and that stuff sticks around for a long time depending on the clean up and if you consider what was going on when it burned and no basic clean up was done that stuff would have been all around that area and on the ground and maybe a location near that building or that building for all we know
Posted 6/16/2011 3:40 pm
I think I've made an important breakthrough in my research on the Lara Logan saga. Apparently, this aggressive pinching thing is a cultural phenomenon, and starts when Egyptians are quite young:
It was meant in jest - despite the curious title of the article, the magazine referenced in the link is a U.S. publication catering to American mothers. Besides, I suffered from aggressive pinching as a child at the hands of my all-too-American sister.
"Mutairi was especially interested in Russian slave girls since Muslim men do prefer them blond. Russian, European and American blond women, better watch out, the Muslims are coming!"
Posted 6/16/2011 8:42 pm
Well I think that might have been more of the plan because when she was rescued it took lots of troops and they had to beat their way in with bataans and then fight to leave had there been a way to get a car or transport to where they ended up I think she would still be missing and more would have been leaked
That account was copied from some discussion board were it "appeared" as an email reply from Geoduck. That structure is only 200 feet from where the tanks were posted in front of the museum. Unlikely that a mob wouldn't be noticed. Also, if that account is true then the CBS story is false.
Posted 6/16/2011 9:12 pm
I think the logic is since there are no photos or video of Stephanie then why not? She was there too and you would think that pictures and videos would be abundant yet nothing so I am still leaning to a large coverup to prevent the truth from getting out.
Posted 6/16/2011 9:15 pm
well being a mob and loads of people everywhere it would lead one to suspect that the troops may have seen a large group encircled but could not figure out what they were doing and thought they were just celebrating so paid it no mine. 200 feet is a good distance away in a crowd
Posted 6/16/2011 9:30 pm
BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN TODAY 6/16/2011 AS FOLLOWS: Libyan rebels say captured cell phone videos show RAPE/TORTURE.Now this story is base in Libya,but who's to say that the best and recent rape videos are not passed around among them, including Lara's video These rapist might get a kick out passing and exchanging cell phone/video.This shows it's a common practice.Check it out.
the attack could have accord under the military's noses
one witness said that the soldiers had to be talked in to rescuing her.
but another from a solider suggest they were very close but hat to retreat and reform. one soldier said basically "hey there is someone there we have to go back.
That is true about proximity to the tanks, and like I said, I am skeptical about that report. However, in most of the accounts we have heard, the mob was noticed - it simply took varying amounts of time for the soldiers to extract Lara from it. Even in the CBS transcript, it says "By this time her team had convinced a group of soldiers to go in after her", which could be taken to suggest that the soldiers had become aware of what was happening, but had to be persuaded to do something about it (recall that the soldiers stationed at the same location purportedly stood by and did nothing when the Fox news guys were pummeled by the crowd; see http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/04/bloody-cairo-hand-account/#ixzz1D0fIyZ25).
Ironically, as I have previously noted, the footage CBS chooses to display in the report to go along with Lara yelling "Stop!" appears to be very close to the location of this structure. While CBS never actually claims that that footage was taken at the time Lara was being grabbed, at the very least, the report seems to be extremely misleading in this regard. It is hard to believe this fact escaped notice by the many eyes at CBS that must have reviewed the report before it was aired. Therefore, while I have trouble believing that CBS would lie about facts that can be readily ascertained, I have no trouble believing that CBS might choose to portray facts in a very misleading manner.
Posted 6/16/2011 11:56 pm
we all think lara and cbs didn't tell the whole story. so we have been searching the net for proof.
we have been doing things like studying pictures,witness accounts, and news articles. I've got google alerts running for all the key words. witch is up to about 1200 web pages (about 20 to 40 a day) of mostly cut an paste copies of the same article. Other guys on this forum are studying pictures for clues. some are even dissecting the witness accounts. a couple of guys are talking to locals via chat.
Posted 6/17/2011 12:19 am
Success!!! I cannot speak Arabic, so I decided to do the next best thing. I live in Madison, WI and I have been talking with a few foreign exchange students, a few of whom are from Egypt and studying in the USA. One gentleman has a brother who was present in Cairo for the protests and he saw a large percentage of the attack. According to this source, his brother was in the Square and saw Lara filming. He knew who she was because of conversations he has had with the brother who is studying in the USA, and he thought it would be a hoot to get a photo of him with her so he could send it to his overseas brother. He was about 75 yards and moving slowly when all hell broke loose. He doesn't know what started it or how it started but the noise volume picked-up. He says there was a ton of pushing, shoving, and jostling with Lara's "bodyguards" getting the worst of it. There were people who were trying to fight the mob and it was a free-for-all, and he was shoved and smacked as well - just like everyone else.
Posted 6/17/2011 12:19 am
At any rate, it wasn't until several minutes later that he realized why people were shoving - and it wasn't to fight each other, but they were trying to get close to Lara. According to him, it was like she was crowd-surfing as she was lifted, carried, and her clothes were being ripped away. He managed to get a few snaps off with his cellphone, but I guess the pictures are not good - blurred, shots of arms, legs, bodies, etc, but I guess one can definitely see "pink skin" and there is definitely a naked caucasian woman in the shots. The crowd kept pushing, and he went along with the wave, as moving against it was impossible. He was not able to get too many additional shots, and none were what one could call "quality." However, the source claims the photos definitely show the brutality and complete chaos.
His brother was injured, especially when soldiers did arrive, which is how he was able to get free from the crowd. They were not discriminating in their shots with the clubs and he took a couple of shots to the head and ribs....but he was able to break free, and he caught a final photo shot of Lara being carried by a soldier.
My source is on his way home to Egypt for the summer, as the semester is over. However, he will be sending me the photos that the brother does have. I am not sure what they will show, but they will at least prove that Lara was attacked and brutalized. I am not sure if his brother knows anyone else who has additional photos or video, or if he knows anyone who saw more than what he did. However, once I receive the photos, I will continue reaching out and see what more comes.
