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  Why was the US so clueless about rockets until capturing von Braun?
Teapots
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The Soviets had solved the major theoretical and practical problems long before WWII. The US -- even though it developed nukes -- was starting at zero at the end of the war. Why? Were they just considered unimportant? Not feasible?
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How about sticking a rocket up your ass and sucking off a Tamil? I understand they like Hallam Street just fine.
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not profitable.
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because JEW scientists are superior to you goy ignorants.

oh wait, the US and Russia divided up half the scientists after the war.

:punchballs:


Actually, the reason is that rockets were not a strategic weapon until the cold war w/USSR, because the Nazi's intended on using them against the UK (wiki V3, the nazi's almost answer to hitting London around the clock from France)
Teapots
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. said:because JEW scientists are superior to you goy ignorants.

oh wait, the US and Russia divided up half the scientists after the war.

:punchballs:





The US took all the scientists; the Soviets hired a bunch of technicians. They didn't benefit a lot -- the guidance system was the only major thing. Their own designs quickly surpassed the V2 even though they did laboriously recreate some V2s.

The US, meanwhile, had no program, no theory, no knowledge. They were literally starting fresh with their nazis.
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Teapots said:The US took all the scientists; the Soviets hired a bunch of technicians. They didn't benefit a lot -- the guidance system was the only major thing. Their own designs quickly surpassed the V2 even though they did laboriously recreate some V2s.

The US, meanwhile, had no program, no theory, no knowledge. They were literally starting fresh with their nazis.



Um, no, the US didn't take all the scientists, it's been proven in declassified documents and in countless documentaries and movies that Russia and the US divided them up, however the US did get first pick.

The US had a nuclear propulsion system (project: orion) which was nuclear, however it was after the war.

There was no need for rockets in the US, so your point is..well..pointless. So what.
Teapots
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. said:Um, no, the US didn't take all the scientists, it's been proven in declassified documents and in countless documentaries and movies that Russia and the US divided them up, however the US did get first pick.




No von braun and his chosen two hundred travelled first to Mittelwork and then surrendered more or less en bloc to the americans, who evacuated them by train before handing it over. the us also took all the drawings -- tons of them.

And of course rockets were important, as the sepps belatedley realized or they wouldn't have bothered with the distasteful task of patriating an SS baron and his nazi weapons designers.

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Teapots said:The Soviets had solved the major theoretical and practical problems long before WWII. The US -- even though it developed nukes -- was starting at zero at the end of the war. Why? Were they just considered unimportant? Not feasible?



:wtf: never heard of robert goddard?
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Everyone knows that German engineers (and American engineers of German descent) are the best in the world.

TROOF
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Goddard_%28scientist%29

Robert Hutchings Goddard (October 5, 1882 – August 10, 1945), U.S. professor of physics and scientist, was a pioneer of controlled, liquid-fueled rocketry. He launched the world's first liquid-fueled rocket on March 16, 1926. From 1930 to 1935, he launched rockets that attained speeds of up to 885 km/h (550 mph). Though his work in the field was revolutionary, he was sometimes ridiculed for his theories.

In 1919, the Smithsonian Institution published Goddard's groundbreaking work, A Method of Reaching Extreme Altitudes. The report describes Goddard's mathematical theories of rocket flight, his experiments with solid-fuel rockets, and the possibilities he saw of exploring the earth's atmosphere and beyond. Along with Konstantin Tsiolkovsky's earlier work, The Exploration of Cosmic Space by Means of Reaction Devices (1903), Goddard's little book is regarded as one of the pioneering works of the science of rocketry. It was distributed worldwide and is believed to have influenced the work of subsequent pioneers such as Hermann Oberth and Wernher von Braun in Germany and Sergey Korolev in the USSR.
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OK floor pisser no I hadn't heard of Mssr Goddard. DAMB YOU SEPPS. DAMB YOU :rant:
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Teapots said:OK floor pisser no I hadn't heard of Mssr Goddard. DAMB YOU SEPPS. DAMB YOU :rant:



http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/home/index.html
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Teapots said:OK floor pisser no I hadn't heard of Mssr Goddard. DAMB YOU SEPPS. DAMB YOU :rant:



sadly, not many have. von braun himself considered goddard to be the father of modern rocketry, and yet very few people have ever heard his name. quite sad when you think about it. he deserves to be every bit as famous as the wright brothers, or robert oppenheimer.

After a thorough inspection Goddard was convinced that the Germans had "stolen" his work. Though the design details were not the same, the basic design of the V-2 was similar to one of Goddard's rockets. The V-2, however, was technically far more advanced than the most successful of the rockets designed and tested by Goddard. The Peenemünde rocket group led by Wernher von Braun may have benefited from the pre-1939 contacts to a limited extent, but had also started from the work of their own space pioneer, Hermann Oberth; they also had the benefit of intensive state funding as a war project, large-scale production facilities (using slave labor), and repeated flight testing that allowed them to refine their designs. But it's crucial Goddard design lacks a turbopump and veil cooling only with this was it possible to build a order of magnitude greater reliable rocket engines as that was Goddard was capable. [25]

Nonetheless, in 1963, von Braun, reflecting on the history of rocketry, said of Goddard: "His rockets...may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles".[26]



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Teapots said:OK floor pisser no I hadn't heard of Mssr Goddard. DAMB YOU SEPPS. DAMB YOU :rant:



Yeah, the space flight centre in his name is quite obscure, isn't it?

You fucking idiot.
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. said:Yeah, the space flight centre in his name is quite obscure, isn't it?

You fucking idiot.



You're only figuring out NOW that he is an idiot?
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don't listen to these haters teapots. you still my nigga.
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floor_pisser said:
Teapots said:The Soviets had solved the major theoretical and practical problems long before WWII. The US -- even though it developed nukes -- was starting at zero at the end of the war. Why? Were they just considered unimportant? Not feasible?



:wtf: never heard of robert goddard?



Thank you. When you drive into Worcester, MA there's a big sign proclaiming it "Birthplace of Robert Goddard, Father of Modern Rocketry".

Amazing that a guy like that could come out of a shithole like Worcester. But I guess it was a lot more hopping then.
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. said:Um, no, the US didn't take all the scientists, it's been proven in declassified documents and in countless documentaries and movies that Russia and the US divided them up, however the US did get first pick.

The US had a nuclear propulsion system (project: orion) which was nuclear, however it was after the war.

There was no need for rockets in the US, so your point is..well..pointless. So what.



Why would the US get first choice? Russia did most of the work in defeating Germany.
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. said:Um, no, the US didn't take all the scientists, it's been proven in declassified documents and in countless documentaries and movies that Russia and the US divided them up, however the US did get first pick.

The US had a nuclear propulsion system (project: orion) which was nuclear, however it was after the war.

There was no need for rockets in the US, so your point is..well..pointless. So what.



Why would the US get first choice? Russia did most of the work in defeating Germany.



It was not like a HS pickup game. They were competing. Most of the German scientists were terrified of going to the Soviets. The ones that did were captured.
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von Braun made an interesting comment about rocket design: " you must blow up ten thousand rockets before you finally will be able to make one fly" Something along those lines. Those genius minds made a lot of mistakes before they hit the right formula through sheer perseverance.
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United States did not pursue rocket research till the end of the war because it was not needed. We just bombed the fuck out of everything at will.

There was a research facility at Huntsville, Alabama but not alot of money was thrown at it.
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bensa said:

There was a research facility at Huntsville, Alabama but not alot of money was thrown at it.



what?
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bensa said:United States did not pursue rocket research till the end of the war because it was not needed. We just bombed the fuck out of everything at will.

There was a research facility at Huntsville, Alabama but not alot of money was thrown at it.


Depends on how you look at rocket research. US warplanes had rocket launched missiles mounted on the P-38 and the P-51 towards the end of the war.
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bensa said:United States did not pursue rocket research till the end of the war because it was not needed. We just bombed the fuck out of everything at will.

There was a research facility at Huntsville, Alabama but not alot of money was thrown at it.



Yeah, they spent most of their time trying to figure out how you won a purple heart.
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. said:Depends on how you look at rocket research. US warplanes had rocket launched missiles mounted on the P-38 and the P-51 towards the end of the war.



Those are not ballistic though.

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