6/5/2012 4:38 am
. said: Death2me is retarded. People trying to unionize today just watch their employers SHUT THE FUCK DOWN.
Employment without a union trumps being a union-choosing unemployed dipshit.
How long are you going to be employed with one employer anyway?
Might as well give it a shot.
6/5/2012 4:38 am
If the management has a vast built-in advantage, THEN UNIONIZING WON'T HELP. It will just drive them overseas, and then YOU WON'T HAVE A FUCKING JOB.
Want to be unemployed? CHOOSE UNION.
Yay, let's give up and kill ourselves by not trying anything!
6/5/2012 4:37 am
. said: You already contributed to the RTTB with your demands for cheap products. AGAIN, cheap products come from cheap labor. Did you think you could keep bidding labor high yet have cheap products and services from that?
Odd that executive compensation doesn't seem to be effected by the RTTB.
6/5/2012 4:35 am
. said: Erroneous.
There are industries that are unhampered by unions and because of it employees reap the rewards.
Energy is one. One year my pay increased TWICE due to supply and demand. Would not have happened with a union present.
This is not the middle of the dirtiest part of the industrial revolution and six year olds are not working in and around dangerous machinery. Unions really have no place except to take their cut from the action.
How much of your pay increases went towards inflation? You've got to remember that with the increasing cost of living, the same pay is effectively a wage decrease. Employers seem to forget this but unions remember.
Perhaps your pay was too low when you started?
Most workers are not in positions like yours and must fight for every increase and COLA. Attempting this on your own is insane.
6/5/2012 4:25 am
. said: Why shouldn't workers be allowed to organize? If management doesn't like the contract the union proposes don't fucking sign it. Don't agree to it and then bitch about how it was a bad deal and how expensive it is.
The stupid thing is that workers don't want to organise. They think that they can negotiate better alone against a team of management professionals who have a vast built-in advantage.
6/5/2012 4:23 am
No, you'd just drive the maximum number of firms overseas, leaving, what, plumber, electrician, security and government?
WE'LL JUST FORCE EMPLOYERS TO-- OH SHIT, THERE GOES ANOTHER ONE OVERSEAS! WHY DOES THAT KEEP HAPPENING?!?!?
Imports should only be permitted from producers with decent wages and labour standards.
6/5/2012 4:21 am
. said: unions were necessary at one time, about a century ago. They, along with their liberal nanny state parents, have destroyed America's auto industry and education system.
Liberals and unions cannot compete, have no desire to compete, and just want a guaranteed cradle to grave nanny state and, like liberal faggots, cannot participate in hones debate, negotiation or compromise with anyone they disagree with. They are corrupt, useless, and use fear and intimidation to retain their power.
As Wisconsin is demonstrating, they need to die.
Why should we have to compete for survival? What kind of bullshit society is that?
I want a good living for all workers.
You want a "fuck everybody" race-to-the-bottom.
6/5/2012 4:19 am
. said: You know damned well that:
1. People won't be able to move freely due to security reasons.
2. Moving around that much takes MONEY, which means the poor have to stay put anyway.
Are you really this goddam fucking asshole dumb in real life? Or are you trolling?
What? That's bullshit.
People from first world countries "move" somewhat freely today, it's just that they can't reside or work in other countries for economic reasons. The Dutch don't keep me out for security reasons, they do so for economic ones.
It takes a bit of money to move, but not that much. I don't really care about the poor anyway.
I just think this initiative would significantly improve the quality of life for millions of people who want to change countries for whatever reason. It works well in the EU (their mistake was letting the Poles & Bulgarians move about too soon).
6/5/2012 4:12 am
. said: It will be worse. In 10-15 years most employees outside of core engineering, management, and commissioned sales will consist of Form 990 workers.
We as workers could stop it if we organise.
6/5/2012 4:11 am
Original_Lonely_Guy said: Put in $1 and then explain in the comments that you would like to learn more about the job and discuss salary at a later time.
The lowest you can put is $25k.
6/5/2012 4:10 am
Quixar said: Applications? Are you trying to work for Harveys?
No, I mean application forms on websites. Most big Canadian employers use outsourced employment screening systems like Oracle Taleo and Workopolis which require the completion of such a form.
6/5/2012 4:08 am
. said: no in a union environment, it's the person with the most seniority.
the best candidate has nothing to do with it.
For promotions, sure, but not for initial hiring.
One day you'll have the highest seniority.
6/5/2012 4:04 am
Original_Lonely_Guy said: What the fuck is wrong with you? That question is ALWAYS optional if you are good enough. ALWAYS.
Learn how to negotiate, idiot.
I'm applying for a job through a company's website and if I don't choose a number than I can't submit an application.
If there was a union then I wouldn't have to negotiate. It would all be done for me. Nice and cleanly with no bullshit.
If capitalists can hire professional negotiators, why shouldn't we?
6/5/2012 4:02 am
. said: Unions were needed like a hundred years ago but not now with all the labor laws on the books.
No government unions should be allowed.
Unions are crooked now and should not be allowed to participate in any political area. The whole idea of unions formed together is just stupid. If You owned a car company, would you want your employees to be in a union with your competitors? It has been corrupted by thugs.
You do not have a right to work someplace. If you're not happy, leave.
Unions in Germany seem to work because they are not as crooked and have loyalty to their employees.
American unions suck.
Well we can have good unions then.
6/5/2012 3:57 am
. said: New Zealand.
But you pretty much have to have a desirable technical skill or lots of money already.
The days of
I'M GONNA MOVE ME TO THAT NEW ZOOLAND
Europe? Forget about it. More or less.
Suicide: The only solution.
6/5/2012 3:48 am
. said: It is, actually. You wanted a global market place to buy goods in. Therefore you wanted a global labor force.
What, did you think you'd get cheap goods without cheap labor? Are you some sort of stupid /\/igger moron?
Personally I want free movement of people between first world countries but nobody will listen to me.
6/5/2012 3:47 am
. said: It could be worse. First round of interviews pick the best applicants. Second round will be an auction process where the person willing to work for the least amount of money gets the job.
See, in a union environment it is the best candidate. (And there is no backroom preference bullshit going on, so the tards can STFU about that.)
6/5/2012 3:45 am
. said: Err no. It was the unions coupled with over regulation that crippled the car manufacturing.
Plus a lot of American cars are utter crap.
The cars were crap because management skimped on design and engineering.
Pinto: Management fuckup.
Exploder Tyres: Management fuckup.
GM Failing to shutter its excess brands (e.g. Oldsmobile) earlier: Crooked state politicians influenced by dealers plus Management fuckup.
Predicting that cheap gas would continue forever: Management fuckup.
Underestimating the Japanese threat: Management fuckup.
GM buying bullshit foreign brands: Management fuckup.
Instilling a "we're better than the workers" bullshit workplace culture: Management fuckup. (See the segregated toilets example.)
Substantially raising executive salaries soon after gaining concessions from workers: Management fuckup.
Not getting rid of bullshit like corporate jets and gold-plated faucets: Management fuckup.
GM CEO Rick Wagoner not resigning earlier: Management fuckup.
6/5/2012 3:24 am
. said: then don't work for the govn't.
Oh that's a good approach. Have a double digit percentage of professional skilled jobs converted to poverty-wages.
I'm sure that's good for the employment market.
6/5/2012 3:21 am
. said: I think that question is shit as well as most of the crap that is allowed on forms and applications nowadays.
Still a bit leery of unions-the knife cuts both ways and often than not you get lazy workers who know how much they do the minimum raises and promotions are still coming.
Look at Detroit and others for examples of where greedy unions kill productivity and profits.
The current system of "no raises, not even COLA" is not good enough.
I'm actually reading a book about the Legacy Three by a right-wingnut, Paul Ingrassia, called "Crash Course", and even he admits that it was mostly management's fault.
6/5/2012 3:18 am
. said: nothing wrong with private company unions. They are for the weak and stupid, but even the weak and stupid need protection now and then.
Public unions should be illegal and are the bane of a fiscally responsible govn't.
Yeah, I'll just negotiate directly with the government. I'm sure they'll give me a fair deal.
6/5/2012 3:17 am
. said: I saw this back in the seventies. Nothing new.
Remember back in the seventies when there were more private sector union members and real wages were higher?
Nope, I do not recall that.
6/5/2012 3:08 am
And you MUST answer the question and you MUST choose a number.
What a bunch of bullshit.
If there was a trade union in place the salary would be spelled out before starting the application process as well as COLA.
6/5/2012 12:18 am
SwarmBugs said: no other nation has taken in so many poor illiterate refugees and given them so many freebies.
Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, white nations for everybody
Per capita you are very, very stingy.
6/5/2012 12:17 am
nearly_nazi said: Probably central Europe (Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary). Prosperous enough, interesting, essentially pure white, and racist enough to keep sub-human garbage under control. In Hungary there is a nascent national socialist party that is gaining traction in the political scene.
Also one of the Baltic States, with Estonia being my personal fav.
Are those folks considered "white" enough for you nazis?