It´s psychological torture of the most extreme degree. I don´t know the best way would be to point that out somehow. To prepare the public for it. I mean some would still whack off in sin at the images and videos but the broad public will mass behind the humiliated rape victim. I believe the correct strategy here is offense and not waiting and being on the defense.
They can´t get everybody. Some will not post them online from egypt but from somewhere else. There are countless methods of tricking the police i believe. >But nontheless your argument strikes a cord. I can believe the police will at least try to do that what you suggested. It is only logical.
Yes but that´s it! These are ONLY mindgames. Bluffs. These are not serious attempts to release the footage. There is no plan for it i believe. It´s only mindgames and the best part is: Whenever they try to call the bluff they will only hurt and humiliate themselves because then it will be clear (professional footage) that members of the security apparatus were indeed responsible for this outrage. It´s like a chess game. I think the egyptian reporter in 2003 understood that somehow. That´s why she called the bluff and nothing really happened.
Its only really hard to THINK THAT THROUGH when you are a victim because your mind is already severly bleeding pain all over the place. That´s why you need people to help you think this through.
Possible but in the 2003 case it´s now eight years ago! I mean after that you can surely call that bluff a lame duck? And if they had not the chutzpe to do that with an egypt journalist why should they have the courage to do it now with an american one who is far more powerful and connected (even with high echelons of political power)? That doesn´t make sense. I believe the bluff is a dead end. I am more concerned with possible bystanders filming alongside. They are not so easily summarized as a bluff. They could release it anytime.
Someone should probably tell Lara Logan that to ease her soul a bit.
Yea that is possible. YOu are right KEY information is missing in the dozens in this case. Reason: It was a too horrible assault with nuances that are not easily transferable to the public. I am afraid that is the reason the president called her. The vicious attack was something that needed to be hushed up because it could have serious consequences.
I think these photos and the like are no more than bluffs. They are only made to torture her with thoughts of the possiblity of surfacing anytime. But if you call that bluff you see that nothing happens.
But: Private cellphone images and videos are a different thing. They can surface anytime.
I never did say CBS didn´t try something. There´s a special theory of mine. Such stories do tend to develop in three phases: Initiationphase (Footage has surfaced in one place) Viral Phase (Footage is in many places) Lockdownphase (Police and regulative forces of the web are deleting Footage and Footage cannot be found) In the Lockdownphase you can be sure that CBS would throw their weight behind eliminating everything with Police and other institutions. But even CBS cannot really prevent Initiation phase. If Footage surfaces it will take time to locate it. That is a given.
If you say I am naive then i have to say: You are cynic. When i believe too much in the ethics of the web you believe too much in the lack of it. In Reality it´s something in the middle. You have regulative forces in the web as you have destructive forces. Just watch THIS THREAD. You have vulgar trolls that want to watch LL be raped in every way possible and then you have people like Compassion. That´s a classical check of forces. You in the States are proud of that...of this principle of power checks. The same is in effect in the internet.
If Larry Flint would do what you assume he would do then he will get in TROUBLE. Believe me. He will get into trouble like everyone who thinks this is porn material. He is far too clever for it. There is a HUGE difference between sunbathing and Full out rape: In 2003, he also purchased nude photographs of Private Jessica Lynch, who was captured by Iraqi forces, rescued from an Iraqi hospital by US troops and celebrated as a hero by the media. Flynt stated he would never show any of the photographs, calling Lynch a "good kid" who became "a pawn for the government" (wikipedia)
He knows very well how far he can go. Like anybody else in the porn industry.
Lara is NOT as famous as you would think outside the U.S. I mean it: In continental europe rarely one knows her. I am an exception in this regard. LL is more a NATIONAL celebrity.
And i never said there wasn´t TONs of footage out there. But the problem is to get the footage out of the hands of these people to the internet. And that´s complicated in a country where a dictator just got kinda overthrown but the whole security apparatus stayed. The same apparatus who may have administrated the whole mess in the first place. Yes of course it sticks out like a sore thumb but when EVERY journalist says: No. I will NOT research this story. Then you got Nada. Journalists are gatekeepers of information. They are the guys who can really research things. If these guys go on strike you don´t get certain information. And i believe we had a kind of strike here. Of course nuts like Schussels and Beck kinda would have broadcasted evidence but they are not REAL journalists. The real journalists are those who get knee deep in shit and blood to get you information. And these people are very aware of the fact that they share special kinship status with Lara Logan.
They don´t necessarily respect Lara so much, Superjerk. But they respect themselves and their profession. A journalist will - like a soldier - rarely be inclined to hear about some colleague blown to bits and being tortured. Why is that so? It hits too close to home. It´s perfectly human that every journalist - especially the females - were shocked to their bones by that story.
I didn´t EVER say that the internet wipes stuff away immediately. But it does after a time. You want to know how i came to know about Lara Logan? She is completely unknown in continental europe! But at a site i encountered a porn story about her. Then i was informed that this person really existed. A few hours later the porn story was ERASED by the moderators of that forum. Reason: Even in our extreme sex section real rapes are not to be discussed or brought to attention in ANY form. Of course there are sites that do not share this standpoint. But many are.
You don´t believe that really. YOu are just frustrated about the media coverage. Rightly frustrated. But come on the damage is clearly there. She was hurt beyond reasonable doubt.
Maybe parts of the assault were more organized than others. Remember: The CBS interview is lacking parts (with high probablity) We can only assume two things: Either the parts that were left out were highly inconsequential or the parts were very important for understanding the assault. I tend to believe the second argument (for various reasons)
Hey Rape and sodomizing are not on the same level. Correctly it should read: Raped vaginally and anally. Rape is more general sodomizing more particular.
Yes i know i am overly correct sometimes. But i think "she" deserves that of us. If we are talking about this then let´s be as precise as possible and not clumsy.
PS: We have grounds to assume that the penises of these "men" were indeed dirty. It takes high hygiene to keep male genitalia clean. Thank you for pointing that out. Over and Out.
Where did he say that? In the above sentence he just wrote about Footage from that night. Or do you mean something prior to the sentence? *puzzled and bewildered*
Come on don´t be like this. From my viewpoint it is entirely logical where we are now. People just assume that EVERYTHING hits the Internet RIGHT NOW and it stays there FOREVER. That is just untrue. The internet is - as we have all learned by now - much more ethical and regulated than we thought. I mean yesterday i went to a fantasy rape site and what did i read there written big and bold?
WARNING 18 Years ADULTS ONLY!
This is a forum for consenting adults to share their fantasies and explore their dark sites. We do not allow ANY discussion about real rape, bestiality and under 18ys.
(same site pulled down a Lara Logan Rape story six months ago)
The internet regulates itself too. Oh yes there are sites out there that are run by cynical motherfuckers I know. But these are not so widespread as most would assume. Plus: There may be not material out there by now because concerned parties diden´t have the inclination to release them (yet) Egypt is NOT at peace already. There is much turmoil still going on. Paradoxically speaking the footage could hit the web when egypt has really stabilized itself.
On the other hand: Why did no other newspaper and network report the whole thing? Well...it was a colleague that got attacked in a very special way. And researching the story would mean yes you had to send journalists to egypt (again) But the situation is very fluid and still very dangerous. Especially for noisy reporters.
No iam not as shocked that NO information is out there. Just try to find footage from the rave party gang rape of the 16 year old swedish girl. And her pics even got uploaded to facebook! And now? Nada. Nothing.
I should (again) write a paper on all this. People need to be informed.
That was possible until NOW. But more and more rape cases of journalists are reported. I mean a few years back there wasn´t even the word "Code of Silence". With more and better technology available cases will become more likely that involve the filming/photographing of the act and then later the distribution. You can wear rose colored glasses if you want but you can´t fake ignorance when everybody is yelling at you that your employees get systematically raped. Besides: Soldiers and Policemen are also in danger of being physically assaulted very much all the time. That´s not the real problem. The real problem is thoughtlessness. And not even in networks or newspapers. Also in Organisations like the Peace Corps. In a nutshell you NEED guys or gals that think scenarios through that are highly offensive to most people. There has to be people who seriously plan for BAD outcomes. You can´t spare these people. You need them. Because you cannot improvise in these matters. That would be the worst crime of all.
Seriously now: This thread IS like a drug. That´s perfectly acceptable to say. Smoking trolls would be a good metaphor for it even if you are yourself a troll. That´s okay.
