IF i would know anything then i must have GOOD reasons not to say anything. You wouldn´t change my mind after just one sentence beseeching truth. Come on. I mean...that would be just too shitty, right? I would be bound by pledges, honor and ethics and perhaps even love to stay put. I would betray myself for nothing and hurt countless people...for nothing.
But that is only hypothetical. IF i would know something. I said: IF.
She is more than just a vagina man. You are more than just your penis. Try to see her in a more complex way please.
PS: IF that is your fantasy it is all right i guess. But try to seperate the fantasy from the NOT-Fantasy bit. Try to be a little bit more complex yourself. I know you can do it. You are no monster.
Sounds like a challenge you are proposing. I bet 5 Million Drachme that within THIS year we will see her in some foreign country doing a report for 60 minutes. Within 12 months she will return to middle east (Afghanistan, Pakistan) or near east (northern africa and arabic countries) as a reporting foreign correspondent. Within 24 months she will return into a country where journalists are taking a huge risk being there.
You forgot the nature of the context. She would be expected to accept that she was being filmed and photographed taking interviews...but she would NOT be expected to accept being filmed and photographed while being raped. EVERY judge would rule in her favor. Seriously. Only because YOU walk in the streets that doesn´t mean that someone could walk by, grab you, rape you orally, someone films you and you are supposed to accept that without legal action.
Maybe you are seeing it too black and white. Suppose many onlookers have the pics. Could the egyptian governement suppress all of that even if they wanted to? NOt really. And what is blackmail but a bluff? I mean if they released the pictures egypt´s name would be smeared beyond relief especially if the government would be unveiled as part of the attackers. It is more a fragile situation with many nuances that are not entirely clear to us, LL, CBS, and even the egyptian government. In a matter of sense that shouldn´t have happened in that way at all. Because everybody is going to lose much if it hits the web. I mean everybody. Even the attackers.
RIGHT ON THE OWN PICTURE. That is a PERSONALITY LAW. With famous people being public there is a loophole BUT...not if it is highly humiliating for them.
But the problem is more POWER AND PLACE. Your suggestion puts a picture or video on a certain website. Therefore the aggrieved party would know EXACTLy where the footage is. Now if the party is very powerful and has lawyers at her/his disposal all they need to do is hurl lawyers at a particular site. Especially if you are american you are screwed but also if you are european. And copyright doesn´t mean anything really. Believe me lawyers laugh about copyright all the time. It doesn´t do anything in cases like this
This is just the lacking of truth in your premises. This is the content examination of your argument.
But even more important (formal examination of your argument): I want to point out that the premise of your argument with 1. (the Nazi metaphor) is NOT leading to the conclusio at all. It is not linking, so to speak. The problem is furthermore that you used a GROSS warped metaphor that wasn`t even fitting to a past 65 years gone by (content examination of your premise) The metaphor and the conclusio don´t link because of that (formal examination of the whole inference)
Added to that we have really LOGIC problems:
That's what it must have seemed like for Mubarak loyalists and even for most protesters who saw her as an outsider trying to take credit for their movement. Nobody over there thinks it odd she got assaulted.
So Mubarak loyalists AND protesters were mad at her at the same time? That is resenting the law of contradiction: Something cannot be and un-be. Journalists were perceived as enemies by Mubarak loyalists but not by the protesters. But with the law of excluding the Third (there is only be and un-be not some third option) we have to take ONE option: Either she was the enemy of one or the other. If i were you i would take the Mubarak Loyalist. These were the people who were mad at her. If you change your crude metaphor to one that depicts western journalists as deeply critical of Mubarak and his goons then you would have a good inference: Because of the critical attitude of the western journalists toward the Mubarak regime she was targeted and assaulted and that was no surprise for the people there. Of course that would make her less a villain but more a heroine i guess.
You are beeing ILLOGICAL in the extreme. I will give you an explanation for my answer. I will answer with philosophy (Argumentationtheory). Everything i write here you can check with any philosopher I assure you 100%.
1. Your argumentation lacks in inference and deducation: Splitting your example i take 2. as conclusio of your inference and 1. as premise. Your inference was that LL was an outsider that deserved the assault. The conclusio was that her insolence was that she took credit for the protesters movement. The premises are all found on 1. That she is similar to a nazi and she does following:
1. she praises Hitler
2. She celebrates FDR´s Death
3. Farts on Jesus picture
4. and dances like beyonce
while she is doing all this she:
1. looks superior
2. evil
3. self-righteous
4. like a movie star
Firstly: Lara Logan NEVER
1. praised Mubarak
2. celebrated the death of protesters or an american
3. didn´t fart on Mohammeds picture
4. didn´t dance
5. didn´t wear a bikini clothing at all
6. never did praise Mubarak´s regime and basked smiling in the light of cameras
She is not:
1. looking superior at all (maybe in your imagination)
2. she is NOT evil (you must ground this with arguments: why do you believe her evil exactly)
3. self-righteous: (maybe you mix it up with courage and bravery)
4. movie star looks: RIGHT. This point is true 100%.
Let´s wait until Sunday i think then we will know more how the story was produced. But your arguments are valid i guess. That rock looks mighty difficult.
She was in Afghanistan a few weeks (?) ago with the puppy and all that. She is testing the waters so to speak. I further believe she is still "bleeding" psychically so she shouldn´t attempt foreign/war correspondence yet anyway. It´s "only" seven months after the attack and if we all are correct about the exact nature and intensity of the assault seven months are barely enough to knit the worst psychological wounds together.
NOW the clock will begin ticking - let´s see what happens in the next coming months. Will she begin to overcome her reluctance travelling to foreign lands? How will she deal with possible danger in warzones? She needs plans and strategies to deal with that. She needs to think that through.
Let´s wait. See how it goes. What interests me: How did they film the story about the rock climber? More specific: Was she one of the people at the line filming him? You can see some people at the rock climber`s left filming him. That is very important because that could be an indicator that she re-assures herself. One of the ways she can build confidence and acclimatizing herself again to danger and risk.
The situation is more complex and has much more nuances then "just" PTSD. Concerning a return to Egypt the issue would be more SECURITY for her than real blackmail for example. She has already traveled to Afghanistan for a few days. I think she is checking the waters. Testing herself. Preparing and honing her new found courage. Then she will take more and more risks. But the Egypt scenario is more about security than everything else. Just look at how Al jazeera was ambushed - they "only" searched the office - by the egyptian police few days back and they weren´t identifying themselves and the "official" police didn´t want to help the reporters afterwards. Problem is that Lara is somehow a target for the egyptian police/security apparatus - dear tourists plz don´t go to egypt any time soon it´s for your own good - and that will be the main reason she will not go there. Syria is too bloody dangerous for ANYBODY right now and Libya is an option i think. It may be that she will test the waters there soon and if THAT goes well it will build her confidence. So i believe in short visits to boosten her confidence up with less and less security in mind. Her instincts are as sharp as ever she managed to stay out of serious hurting long enough before Tahir and the ambush on the tank. But Egypt will be the LAST country she will visiting i think. But that doesn´t mean i think she will never go there again. I believe it would be therapeutic to return to Egypt and get out there unscathed. It would be the final puzzle unit of her healing process.
Brutally honest but honorable and TRUE nonetheless. You are right 100%. Why the heck are we so inclined to DEGRADE women because of that? It´s like the mafia don who tells his button-man: "The mistress is for sucking my dick...but my wife...can you imagine your wife sucking your dick and then kissing your children goodnight?!"
People who are like that are having some unresolved issues concerning sex. YOU obviously have not. Congrats dude. Glad that you are here.
Interesting. You sound so tame right now. No more: I would give not a shit about this and that. And: She deserved it and the like. And you sound almost compassionate: "would rape someone while they were vulnerable" Riiight. So vulnerable like a woman naked among a crowd of vicious cruel men. See? When you are lying bleeding and in shock in the street with the shattered remains of your legs in your lap then YOU ARE THE WOMAN NAKED AND VULNERABLE.
Well for my part i have to say that you are certainly NOT stupid. But the bitch part...YOU have a nasty side all right. But bitch would be too tame for that. I would call it SHE-WOLF. Sometimes you can be a dangerous She-Wolf. ;).
She IS the big war reporter all right. And it is very easy to put anybody in "his or her" place with Torture and sexual degrading. I would like to see YOU performing in such a situation. You would be broken and weeping like a little baby too. Like I would too. Or Compassion. Or even a Six Team Navy Seal. So what? But look on her conduct AFTER THE ATTACK. Months later. I seriously doubt that YOU or I would be strong enough to go on like this. We would be sitting in our cellar all the time i guess rocking forth and back and weeping all the time.
She is a fighter no doubt about it. I despise what happened to her because it was a crowd of people very probably even a deliberate attack by Egyptian Secret Police that perpetrated this crime. The very same people who would shit their pants when some Marines show up. GO figure! And instead of thematizing THAT all i hear in this board - with the exception of COmpassion and NIne and some others - are accusations against HER. Great. With citizens such as these the U.S. should import more south africans and east europeans to make up for that loss in balls.
