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11/2/2011 7:04 pm

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And now...some music that fits this discussion:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYu3d_dsc40&feature=related
11/2/2011 6:55 pm

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. said:Why do you feel the need to have the same conversation on the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over again?



Because i suffer from Obsessive Compulsory Disorders. Yeah. What a surprise...
11/2/2011 6:49 pm

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CompassionBreak said:Unfortunately, that is VERY, VERY true. Do you remember how they were copying a pasting from each other back in March?



It has more to do with the workload believe me. Journos have too much to work and so the quality suffers. It is not so much about ethics but more about resources.
11/2/2011 6:41 pm

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CompassionBreak said:Euro, you are way to kind to judge them by your own standards.
Also, not all journalists set their foot in foreign land.



No but many of them know violence in their line of work.
11/2/2011 6:40 pm

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CompassionBreak said:Sure they care for their own. I am sure CBS would do anything to protect Lara Logan now. So, yes, *they* will put pressure on their reporters. However, this does not exclude government involvement. Look, why do you think Hillary offered help SO quickly? Possibly to do damage control by PREVENTING inbvestigation. I am not saying that this is IN FACT what she did. I am saying that that is A POSSIBILITY. ONE of many possibilities. But if you were here, what would you do?



Hmmm...then let us make a thesis - anti-thesis -syn-thesis out of the whole debate:

Thesis: Two Governments did a complete cover up of the whole thing.

Anti-thesis: It was from the journalists. Governments had nothing to do with it.

Syn-thesis: Two Governments did a light cover up of the whole incident in the web and abroad latter especially the egyptian government. Journalists out of their own opinion and ethics plus pressured by their chief-editors and newsrooms and peers stayed clear of finding the footage.
11/2/2011 6:36 pm

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CompassionBreak said:Euro, please, with all my love and respect, you *do* underestimate governments. I am NOT saying that US government is EVIL -- not at all. There are challenges on the ground... But I can totally see our government going alone with covering up for the lesser of the two evils. In fact, as long as we do not live in a perfect world -- I would expect them to be making these choices. It is their JOB.
And, yes, how can you explain the footage gap from the biggest party on this planet that night?



You know how scientist are supposed to work? They have a thesis...let´s see...ah yes: TWO GOVERNMENTS ARE COVERING UP EVERY FOOTAGE IN THE WEB OF TAHIR THE DAY HOSNI STEPPED DOWN AFTER 23:00.

That is our hypo-thesis. Now basically we must falsificate it...proving it WRONG. Even if your most ardous strenous efforts are not toppling that thesis that this thesis must be TRUE. But we work not WITH the thesis but against it. We on the other hand try to prove the thesis with all might. We must be our own advocatii diaboli here. Look it up with Karl Popper. He was the originator of this idea.

The Hillary idea is worthwile BTW. I can imagine it was like this. She was more interested in damage control than in anything else. Surely not in doing a real investigation.

11/2/2011 6:26 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:Your math is wrong because there are many who have access to the same thing that journalist have and in most cases even better. foreign correspondents would be the least likely to get anything because they are not trusted in the middle east fact. You cant even figure the journalist into the fact of the missing gap in pictures and video for they would not be able to stop those. You are only counting a small number of the over all journalist and other personel in the country. The people who would have the pictures and video would for one not talk to journalist for fear that they would get into trouble. You or I would have a better chance of getting info.



You say that because you don´t know how Journalists work. You think they are like you or me only with some camera and a block of paper in their hand ;). Journalists have training. Methods. Techniques. To get information. They are skilled workers especially the specialists in the foreign department. In fact you think of journalists as stupid unskilled elephants that just walk into a foreign scene and just trample evidence ;). In fact they are much more like bloodhounds. That is also the reason why you and I would find nothing comparable there. And yes i have a bachelor in journalism...exactly the same basic education 99% of all journalists have and i tell you: It`s only the tip of the iceberg. There is so much to learn.
11/2/2011 6:03 pm

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. said:Look, Lara Logan is getting another award. Egypt was the best thing that could of happened to her.

http://www.looktothestars.org/news/7260-wanda-sykes-to-host-womens-media-awards



Ah shaddup! ;)
11/2/2011 6:03 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:It does not prove that but that the fact they are not means other reasons such as a coverup, told not to, ordered not to, prevented from doing so, the list goes on and on. As you say there are ass holes out there and they would for sure investigate and attack her if they could but they are not even attempting too.....why? Journalist creed of ethics....I don't think so?



Look its simple mathematics. ONLY foreign correspondents have access to any evidence in egypt. Okay. How many foreign correspondents do you have in Egypt? From CBS, ABC, CNN and a few others? A few major newspapers? Delete the europeans. Only take the americans and maybe the english. Delete the arabs. They do not seem to have ANY interest in it right now.

So: How many american and english foreign correspondents are in Egypt?

Two Dozen? Three Dozen? Including the freelancers that are working for the major few?

Three dozen journalists are easily able to come to a gentleman´s agreement. PLUS: Their bosses are even less numerous. What will the chief editor in ABC say about the LL story? He will say: PASS on it! What will CNN do? The very same. The newspapers could be a problem but since the scandal in Murdochs newspapers they are playing it super safe. And there you have it. Simple mathematics. A handful of people and only a few companies.

11/2/2011 5:52 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:Whose opinion? As for not out how do you know other then you have not found it yet? The fact that you have not seen it on the web does not mean it is not on the web. We all know that kiddie porn is on the web but do you see kiddie porn when you look for it? Nope and there is a reason for that. One lawenforcement has cracked down and the people that deal in kiddie porn have gone underground but still have their stuff out there. Same with other types of videos and pictures. As for being in a safe journalistic hands that is laughable. Journalists like most everyone on the web are easy prey for hackers and such and more likely to get out by same said journalist then not.



Kiddie porn is something completely different. It has a specific buyer base. That is what i tried to tell you with grounded opinion: There is simply no buyer base for footage of journalists getting raped or killed. There isn´t. The evidence that in seven months nothing came up supports my grounded opinion. It supports also the grounded opinion that it´s more a reluctance of journalists do not touch the damn thing if they would have found it.
11/2/2011 5:50 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:It does not prove that but that the fact they are not means other reasons such as a coverup, told not to, ordered not to, prevented from doing so, the list goes on and on. As you say there are ass holes out there and they would for sure investigate and attack her if they could but they are not even attempting too.....why? Journalist creed of ethics....I don't think so?



Yes journalistic creed of ethics...look...if i were a journo and i would think about researching LLs story...i would feel a penis up my ass.

Do you understand what i am trying to tell you? It is about knowing: I could be next. Why the hell would i try to make a story out of that only to hear from my editor the very same thing: Hey dude you could be next too. We have a nice little assignment for you where you interview a infamous skinhead leader who throttled three grandmas in their beds. What the fuck. You can be sure that i would feel it in my guts! Violence against journalists on assignmens?! OF COURSE!
11/2/2011 5:41 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:And your know this how? this explains nothing but a guess and not an educated guess either but more like you rolled a 4 sided die and made a saving throw.



Ehem educated guess? It is a grounded opinion. Evidence: It is not out NOW after what eight nine months? And if there is evidence it is in safe journalistic hands and will not get out.
11/2/2011 5:40 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:I am not being a cynic but reporting what is happening. If you are living in the 21st century as you claim then get over the fact that Journalist are human are they not. and being human they have human desires. They also want to keep their job in an industry that is dying daily. They would if they were permitted to investigate that story to death. The fact they have not even hardly commented on it at all proves that they are controlled by higher ups who want the story dead.



Look: The also have human ethics and values. You are thinking too much about them as warped human beings. I will not say that they aren´t assholes out there but come on you just judge them ALL as assholes.

If they have not investigated this it proves only one thing: They care and fear for their own. Even in competition. They should.
11/2/2011 5:29 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:As for conspiracy thoughts with the time gap in pictures and video that has yet to be explained by anyone here. Journalist could not keep pictrues from the web or video. Only a few could do that and most are governments. The Black list of things to be shown on the web is long and grows each day so that we the sheep can find a good meal or low price plane tickets but if they in the circle of power don't want us to see something then we wont. But with all their power the truth will come out just like so many sex tapes and so many documents on governments and their evil doings. As it is written the truth shall set you free but hiding it will only prolong the effects and doom those in the conspiracy.



Come on you are sounding like Batman. That is just over the top!
11/2/2011 5:27 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:If the video or pictures has been uploaded then it is on a sight that is not accessible to but a few. That being said several sites that do promote this sort of stuff do not even have it on there but that does not rule out bbs systems and the fact that it could be uploaded under some odd name like toothpaste in the streets or some thing like that. But from the searchs that I have done daily for the last 9 months I have nothing and even less now then when I started.



The footage is still in egypt. Some of it may be in the U.S. but in safe hands. Nuff said.
11/2/2011 5:26 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:You can be blunt all you want but your still so wrong that it is blunt. Face it that journalist are after the big story no matter what and even if it is one of their own they would go for it and think about the fall out later.



NO. You are wrong. In fact you are cynic.

11/2/2011 5:24 pm

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Real Masked Truth said:You are basing your thoughts off your feelings and not facts. Journalism in this day and age is who gets the story first and out not what it is about or even if the facts were checked. Either you do not read many papers, watch tv or still are living in the 60's because this day and age they exploit what ever they can to get ratings and sale papers.



Actually i don`t read any newspapers anymore. I don´t watch Tv. And I am living in the 21th Century thank you very much. But still you are tiptoeing over the fact that you base your opinions on a warped cynic sense of humanity concerning journalists. I base my opinions on a realistic sense of humanity concerning journalists.

What does that mean? Its simple: You are a journalist. I am a journalist. A troll here is also a journalist. YOU get raped by someone on an assignment. The troll wants to load up the footage of the attack in all details.

What do you expect me to do? This is a simple question. What do you think i would do?
11/2/2011 9:56 am

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BakehOusE said:This thread needs to f**king end already!



No. ON the contrary. It will only get worse!
11/2/2011 9:56 am

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nine said:I have a scar on my lip from an accident that happened when I was two years old and some small scars on my face from a car accident my freshman year in college. These are the only scars on my face. I have other scars, sure, on my hands, my legs, etc. -- nothing really noticeable. A scar should never serve as a reminder of pain and suffering, only a reminder that you survived, you lived, you didn't bleed out and die, a reminder that your body healed and (as time goes on) so will the rest.

I've never claimed to be a soldier.



Oh. Okay then I confused you with somebody else. Sorry. I have some scars from operations of suspect moles...well...i know what you mean...
11/2/2011 8:23 am

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nine said:^ That was me.



I know. The scar...is it from battle in Desert Storm?
11/2/2011 6:54 am

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nine said:I don't fall into either camp concerning the large scale vast conspiracy theories. It's possible the government has tried to filter the Internet. It's possible that journalists have decided to stick up for one of their own. I just don't see either of those two things lasting too long. Our government can't hide its own mistakes and scandals most of the time and journalists aren't a cohesive band of friends. Personally, I doubt the video has been uploaded anywhere. If it had, there would be some censored version out there. Someone credible would be claiming to have seen it and the account would not be a thinly disguised porn fantasy. If the government intercepted it, they'd be taking credit for getting that done. It's just that no video or pictures have been posted, I think. That's my theory. It's not a more or less valid theory than these others but it's what I think. *shrug*



Right. I do not think that either. The footage is still not out there.
11/2/2011 6:52 am

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CompassionBreak said:
. said:
CompassionBreak said:
. said:didn't you say your going to bed?? well I think its time. and personally, I hope you never wake up.


Now, why are you SO mean?



what I said was not that mean, unless your a hypersensitive pussyboy.


interesting.
I do not think he cares, frankly.
I am just wondering about you.



I AM BACK FROM MORPHEUS LANDS!

Yippi-ei-yeah MOTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11/2/2011 6:49 am

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nine said:
. said:
. said:michael ware was on bill maher real time last night. what an odd fellow. yikes. why... man... why would anyone sleep with that guy?... i bet he was just sort of a stalker she humored for a while... no way was that serious. he's just... a goon. i'm sorry but he's just goofy.




i know, right. i'd be more embarrassed about dating that guy than anything that happend in egypt.



Ha.



You are all so mean ;(. I am sure this journalist with a crooked nose has the heart of a lion and is a distinguished and established journalist! Stop laughing please...poor Michael ;(
11/2/2011 6:47 am

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nine said:I just want to make sure that people understand that I am not the grammar/spelling nazi on here. I've questioned the whole, "I'm a journalist but I have horrible spelling when I email people," thing elsewhere (not to be rude -- just to express concern as to the validity of the anonymous person's claims) but I really don't care about who spells what right in these random forum posts. I don't care. The choice of the number "nine" for the hours in the rebukes written to the spelling nazi led me to speculate about whether or not people thought the troll was me (and, I know that sounds paranoid). I just wanted to cover that base. Just saying.



It IS paranoid! You are the Simon Wiesenthal on here. You HUNT the grammar/spelling nazis! Oh yes! You a grammar/spelling nazi perish the thought!
11/1/2011 11:48 pm

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. said:it doesn't matter how little of sleep you've had you can't
bitch at someone for doing something while doing it yourself.

It would be like calling someone's mom fat when yours is as well.



No. Compassion has criticized that the other has made GRAMMATICAL and FACTUAL errors. These are much deeper entrenched than a mere SPELLING mistake.

It is like calling someone`s mom an uneducated shallow racist and then getting the return: But your mom is fat!


PS: Ask any Editor what is worse. He will tell you spelling mistakes are common even with big companies and dozens of editors. But a grammatical mistake? This is unforgivable. Or a factual mistake: Even worse.
 

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