Yeah. The problem is i think that the major news agencies are still pretty much organized like in the first half of the last century. Very conservative structure with very conservative problem solving.
With Foreign Correspondents you need a more progressive problem solving meaning: You need to have psychiatrists and psychologists IN THE HOUSE alongside your Dawn of the Dead people eating lawyers. The lawyers are 19th century structure. The psychiatrists are 21th century structure.
You need people who think things through from the worst case scenario. Risk Managers that are psychologically schooled working alongside psychiatrists in teamwork. Especially after something bad happens.
But that is hard with organizations still believing in a conservative chairman structure. What we have now in CBS are deeply traumatized colleagues who believe they are super strong and do not need any help. From Producer Max up to Jeff Fager they are ALL ripe for Trauma therapy but nobody of them goes because he still believes the bullshit that only weaklings or nuisances need help in such a situation. That is stone age thinking.
Okay let´s talk about it a little. She has expressed doubts if she will ever return to egypt. So it is highly unlikely that she will meet some of the scum...i mean "men"...who did this to her. It´s more likely she will go to Libya or even Syria.
Concerning telling the world what really happened:I do believe she moves in that direction but VERY slowly. Very very very slowly. It´s the pace you have to take into account. Outing...i believe that happens also very slowly and even began already (versus the military versus the government agents) It will be not possible though to really out the men who really did the deed i think. But never say never.
Hillary...is a politician. And with the threat of a strike against Iran looming in the backyard it´s clear that she will do nothing to anger Egypt in any way. Yeah it is shitty. And i don´t like it a bit.
So - give her time she is moving into the right direction. A few months ago there was no talk about dealing offensive with what happened to her. But now? Her statement is clearly full of energy and a responsibility toward the ones who were also raped and told her to speak more about what happened to her.
No I don`t believe so. I rather think they would have LOVED to hear that from her...just because her accusations would have made it easier to endure the hurt better (in their minds). But she never did it because she never blamed them for anything and did not hold them responsible for what happened. But she behaved admirably even there and i think that it was also better for them. Sometimes you just have to let the hurting be. Sometimes you can only feel shitty. That is okay.
And concerning the bodily fluids: Certainly that played also a part. Rape isn´t a clean sterile thing. Maybe they wanted to give her SOME private-sphere afterwards. There ware certainly many conflicting emotions in the men: Anger - grief - disgust - hurting - impotence - anxiety - nausea and all that. But that is only natural like these fluids. It doesn´t change what she is and it doesn´t change what the men are.
I just wished the men could have had their share of therapy. Everybody helps the victim (and that is okay!) But who helps the helpers? Who helps the colleagues? The friends? They are hurt too. They are traumatized too. They need help too.
PS: And again: Something like this should be trained. HOw do deal in a situation like this with a raped colleague. Specialized seminars led by PSTD psychiatrists should teach basic training to Foreign Correspondent Journalists how to react correctly.
No. But they were ONLY beaten bloody. This is horrible enough no doubt about it and they need serious therapy to deal with it. But they were not sexually humiliated. They could talk about it mere days after the assault. Lara couldn´t. She felt too deeply hurt.
I do recognize the grievance that we men are oftentimes only depicted as attackers in rape cases and rarely as helpers or even victims. But Lara was very adamant in mentioning that too: That men were also assaulted sexually all over the world in their capacity as journalists and that it may even be far worse for them to speak of their ordeals.
But they also...okay i acknowledge this. You can almost feel it. She is coming "out" but at a very slow pace. We are now getting new information:
1. She bit one of her attackers in the face (good job!)
2. After the attack pretty much every man in her team was in a state of utter shock too. The team was way over their head. They didn´t have a clue how to react to it. And that was not good. One has to admire Max`Reaction in which he knelt down in front of her - that was very good - but that was an instinctive reaction. It would have been better if these men would have known how to react correctly in such a situation.
Please CBS spy if you read this: Feedback: Get some of your brainbugs back home to think about situations like this and how to deal with it especially concerning media and inter-personal (colleagues) Risk-Assessment Plans for Journalists are not enough. You gotta learn how to deal with something like this in specialized seminars headed by psychiatrists. Every bit of preparation would come handy in a situation when you have to deal with a raped colleague in a foreign land mere minutes after the attack. Call it Contingency Plans or Damage Control Plan. But not Risk. Risk is a bad word. It only points to the before and not the aftermath.
Sigh. But who am I kidding? Heh. Nothing will ever change.
That´s a MEANINGFUL fight, oh yes. They needed a whole batallion to pull THAT BRAVE WOMAN down. *spits out in contempt* Without their numbers they would have dispersed like a fleeting flock of luft-ballons. Worthless the lot of them all right!
Buddy you have no idea. We have not come to YOUR F2 to just establish our own little kingdom with this thread. Oh no. It is more the GIANT bridgehead of a fucking INVASION FORCE, do you understand?! We have come to conquer your board and make it into something more and more beautiful than it ever could have been. You do not understand how outfought and outclassed you really are. And yes we are obsessed about a STRONG GOOD BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED SECOND TO NONE woman who was gang-raped. But not to glee upon it but to reflect it and getting to know her and respect her and learn from her how to really evolve into better human beings.
I tell you man, battle tanks have cut your supply route. Special Forces already have encircled your head quarters. Your munition depot has been bombed. And the Best is yet to come!
Hah! "COMPASSION" and understanding. Good job CompassionBreak. Good job.
And yeah everybody that really spoke up for her in this very thread is one of the guys who can count himself among those that helped her through this.
*Points to Nine* YOU. *ponits to Masked Truth* You. *points to Compassion* You. *points to Truthseeker* You. *points to Superjerk* You. *Points to Tellguy* You. *points to dot2dot* You. *Defiant* You. *ManInLove* You.
Good question. I honestly do not know. I know exactly what you mean with this question. The problem is that Lara is so exceptional in Beauty and chosen working profession. Combined with serious work ethics and charisma. Do you have better chances in meeting someone like this in the military? I have to admit i do not think so. I think she is the exception.
:) I think men should look elsewhere not to the military. You know in Austria there is mandatory army service? Every male has to serve either in military or public service? I remember vividly as the one guy in the exmination barracks reviewed my test results and said:
"Only a four? Well...you`re eligible. NOt that good though. YOu are obviously not good in physics and Technic. So where do you want...Infantry? Infantry!"
And i was sitting in front of him and thought: FUCK YOU. And then i said: I wanna go to do public service in a hospital.
He got angry and said to me i should have said that sooner. But then i got public service.
Moral of the story? Look elsewhere. I am just saying. Look elsewhere. And the Austrian army is not even waging wars LOL. Just look elsewhere.
Why do i have the feeling when listening to Lara Logan that she is a true american adventurer? IT´s puzzling that a south African can be more american than a born and bred american.
A few days ago i watched GALLIPOLI by Peter Weir with Mel Gibson in one of the two leading roles...
No, Nine. It is better to just study war and not taking part in it. It is just a waste, really. When you want to be a hero just do what you already did for half a year now: Protecting a good honorable woman and trying to be a better man.
That is enough heroism for one man. And that even without making the ultimate sacrifice.
Pah! You are so much beneath my notice i actually am not going to source enough of my resources to squash you like the troublesome mosquito you are. Just shut up and take a hike.
