Seriously guys, by now everybody here should know at least the names of her babies and at least the basics of her professional history as a journalist.
If i read any more mistakes and clumsy corrections i will seriously think about proposing an EXAM for all people posting here. You cannot be in this thread and expose such knowledge holes! Come on! That is unacceptable!
It was a slip by her due to her trauma and hurting. Let´s be real when really something organized was behind the attack and CBS and government didn´t want to tell us that they must have found another reason for the attack. The misogynist culture is a fig leave and while it works great for the moment it exposes serious contradictions when thought over.
That is also the reason why i think CBS handled that badly. From "the sexual assault" crafted by shocked Fager and traumatized Lara to the "misogynist culture" it was incompetent improvisation due to the lack of serious planning beforehand.
Managers are here for planning ahead not for doing improvisation. But that is a lost wisdom in the USA and Europe. They do not plan for anything anymore.
Very good point i was trying to make a couple dozen pages ago.
But you brought the cultural taboo in. I am more inclined to believe it was a mix of various influences: 1. cultural taboo 2. poor (internet) environment and static thinking about internet in general 3. Journalists stay off the thing (they offered interviews to Lara Logan but besides this they did not venture much further) 4. Government influence
It was not ONE big reason but a multitude of reasons acting in concert.
Actually she already mentioned something like that. That she interprets the attack on her as an attack on the freedom of the speech and on the free press. I would add basic rights as a human being too. In fact these attackers attacked everyone of us not only in the western world but everywhere.
And just give her some more time. I believe she will come clean with this. We have to show her more support i guess. Next time one goes to a speech she gives he should tell her very directly that she has more support than she imagines. We are standing by her side the whole time.
Yes to all what you wrote ;). But...i WANT her to return to Egypt to be honest. Maybe not as a reporter...but maybe that too someday. But i want...i NEED her to return to Egypt just to show her being victorious about what happened. I know it is selfish of me. But i think it would be a good thing. But only with good security do not get me wrong. She NEEDS to reconquer Egypt someday i feel it deep in my little frail human heart.
PS: "No. I won’t go back to Egypt. I don’t see that ever happening..." Lara Logan
"I believe you will, Lara. You will. I see that happening someday. I really do. But first: Heal as long as you need to. We will be waiting whenever you are ready." Real European Elitist
Right: There are at LEAST two big camps of participants and writers here: 1. The ones that want every detail of the assault and lurid detail (mostly added is the attempt at humiliating and debasing her) and 2. The ones that want to support and protect her (added is the attempt to discuss rape and sexual assault in a new way to really understand this and try to evolve into better human beings)
There may be people who fall a bit between the camps. I believe superjerk may have been one of these people and the meeting with Lara "positively shocked" him into the 2. camp.
I was pretty close to the 2. camp all the way but in the end of august i was also "shocked" fully into the 2. camp. I lost the illusion of objectivity there and became biased.
Remember: I said AT LEAST two camps.There may be little camps and single person who do not feel themselves attached to either big camp but doing their own thing.
You are right rationally it doesn´t matter. Emotionally? It does matter a huge deal. It has more to do with taboo-ized sex really is. I have recently learned how much difference there is in a certain religion between (male) gay anal sex and gay oral sex in terms of sin and punishment. Basically you are committing more of a sin when you have gay anal intercourse then with gay oral intercourse. To cut the long winded shit: That shows very clearly that in sexuality even small elements of difference are having huge consequences.
But she needs time. The problem is although she gets support from the public as she openly explained, it is not enough to really elevate her self esteem to the point before the attack. She still has troubles.
Now here for example in this board is a place where somebody can show support for her...in a small way that will help her too. Just saying.
No, not the Marines. But a certain amount of "friends" would be a must. A mix of 20 normal guys and people who can take care of her when she is attacked or something. A therapist would be very good too.
Then let her get to Egypt as a tourist for a few days. And get her out after a few days.
I see it more of a necessary part of her therapy her return to Egypt. I think she needs that. God I NEED IT. It bugs me her saying she will never set foot on Egypt again. I don´t like that at all.
You are not entirely wrong with that. But when you start with human nature please also add Compassion and Empathy to that equation. It is also only human nature to want to protect her and save her from further harm. And i do think we are in the debt of seriously exploring these emotions in ourselves before we can go on demanding anything from her.
It´s a little complicated even for me. I am not a journalist but i have basic college journalist education (degree) and something of a journalists peckering may be inside of me. So i know exactly what Superjerk means.
I think i am TORN between conflicting EMOTIONs here. Part of me is enraged at the idea that huge and vital parts of an incident was hushed up to protect somebody and that at the price of misleading the people in a big way. Moreoever Kairo is only 3 flight hours away from me. It is very close to Europe (duh)
The other part of me is shuddering with Grief and shock and hurting at the trauma she must have suffered through. It seems exceptionally cruel and insensitive to demand ANYTHING from her to be honest. It just doesn´t feel right. I more have the strong urge to close ranks around her than to seriously bicker and pester her about some missing timeframe or location. That is what i don´t understand about the people who are posting here and calling her names and all that. I mean...she was not armed...she was defenseless...she was very alone...she only did her job...she even did something honorable and brave in covering the underdog´s revolution. And then this happens and we are NOT closing ranks around her?
That is really what i do not get emotionally speaking.
That is true. Back then in June I was slightly more objective. Go back even more and I was one of the troll who made very rude remarks. Not necessarily to Lara Logan though. But it changed little by little. Sometimes even in great leaps.
The thing that changed me really strongly happened in the end of august. After that i just couldn´t go on like before. It was just not possible anymore.
