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12/4/2011 9:46 pm

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bhadkhat said:You are welcome - I just wanted to put forth the idea of why her first interview was conducted in the manner it was conducted, and to help quell the idea that Logan is "holding out" for some nefarious reason. She isn't - she is progressing as a survivor would. In fact, her responses and actions thus far are "textbook" in terms of survivor issues.



No one believed "the nefarious reasons" anyway - at least of the "advocates" so to speak the "good" guys.

12/4/2011 9:36 pm

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bhadkhat said:You are thinking in terms of your reaction....what you should be considering is what were Logan's thought processes. How many times has she said within current interviews how she was "afraid" of what the reaction to her assault would be, and how she was catastrophizing what could occur. Rationality and trauma work are not the best of companions, and as irrational as one might think Logan would be in thinking "the worst," the fact remains she was thinking the worst. All of the external support in the world would not be sufficient to break through the wall of negative self-talk and fear....she would have to experience for herself the reality.

Note within recent interviews she expresses "shock and gratefulness" about the reaction to her coming out. She did not expect it because that is what trauma does to a person. That is why the interview needed to be "softball." She needed to start at Point A and work through the fears. Once the fears are placed into proper context, she builds upon her resilience and shares more....each sharing adding to the overall strength. THAT is how trauma work actually works.

As for collapsing, yes. Attend a survivors' group and you will see the ugly side of survivor work. It is a messy, emotional, and traumatic time....and one of the most difficult challenges for a survivor is to tell their story publicly for the first time. Most survivors get to tell that story within the context of a group or session. Logan had to tell her story to the world. She needed a friend to be there, to support her every step of the way, letting Logan know that her story was being heard by a friend, and not someone "doing their job."



Bhadkhat, you know that i am not blaming Lara Logan, right? I mean you know that by now?

It is not that i blame her in any way. Not even the CBS guys or Pelley.

Just wanted to tell you that.
12/4/2011 8:50 pm

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. said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd9UaCEysNY&feature=related

Hey look, 0:50 of the video, it's the breaded guy who slapped and clawed at Lara's breast.



That was not funny at all. Dipshit.
12/4/2011 8:45 pm

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bhadkhat said:

Once the fears are placed into proper context, she builds upon her resilience and shares more....each sharing adding to the overall strength. THAT is how trauma work actually works.

As for collapsing, yes. Attend a survivors' group and you will see the ugly side of survivor work. It is a messy, emotional, and traumatic time....and one of the most difficult challenges for a survivor is to tell their story publicly for the first time. Most survivors get to tell that story within the context of a group or session. Logan had to tell her story to the world. She needed a friend to be there, to support her every step of the way, letting Logan know that her story was being heard by a friend, and not someone "doing their job."



No you misunderstood me. As i misunderstood you. I understood it that you believe that the public at large would react indifferently or hostile to her (media buzz can you remember?)

I replied that the media echo would had been compassionate and understanding if she revealed all.

Concerning that with the victim feeling only negative: I know that already. Believe me...almost everyone here is an expert in PTSD by now - without trying to sound smart ass to you.

Since when are you in this forum? Are you reading here longer or did you just came in? I am curious because i cannot quite pinpoint who you are.

Are you a female? It is okay. We have another woman here posting regularly: Compassion. She is - again without trying to sound smart-assy our PTSD Expert because she is a medical student who did partake in trauma therapy (although not as a full psychiatrist) I wanted to point that out because you are also heavily in PTSD argumentation (I do not mean it as an offense)


PS: This softball explanation would be a good excuse and explanation for when she decides to get out with the full amount of the attack. Thank you. Because the disparity between the original CBS interview and what really happened can be explained to the public like this. And no, that doesnt mean that there is anything hostile attached to what what iam saying here. I mean it in a good way to point that out: It can help the public understand why the Interview was conducted like this and why she held back. That is GOOD.
12/4/2011 7:48 pm

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. said:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/17/foreign-office-admits-mistakes-alleged-rape-egypt?newsfeed=true

I wonder if the U.S embassy did anything for Lara Logan after the assault.



I read somewhere that they do not help reporters in foreign lands. In Laras case...perhaps. Almost certainly. She had no passport after being stripped i guess.
12/4/2011 5:34 pm

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. said:If LL uses all those interviews as part of a "therapy" then she will destroy herself at the professional level. She should immediately indicate the military/regime in Egypt for the assault against journalists and free speech in general. everything would have been different for her if in the original statement there was a sentence to the responsibilities of regime. then the focus of the media world-wide would be the fact that a regime uses sexual assaults against journalists and it would have stimulate a very interesting discussion on the matter. The way that it has been handled is wrong because it focused on the sexual parts of the assault triggering the interest of the broad public to know of the details rather to focus on the real issues of the landmark political changes that take place in the arab world. Of note, two days ago Egypt has elections.... no media covering at all and LL is doing life-style interviews with some singers and Lagarde instead of addressing the role of IMF on the world's economy. I hope she will be back on track soon....



I agree with your argumentation but want to address the notion that you spoke like Lara Logan was somehow to blame for it. She was not. Reasons: Assault and all that. I want her back on "track" too but she is not to blame for all the horror she must deal with now. It is unfair to demand something from her now.

I feel uncomfortable with that. I do not feel good about the interview i have stated that numerous times. But i do not like a blame-game. I think that is not what she and we all need right now.

12/4/2011 5:23 pm

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bhadkhat said:

So yes....the interview with CBS provided Logan that initial start to full recovery. It was not supposed to be a "tell all," as that would probably be too soon. It was supposed to be just as it was - an opportunity for Logan to get back into the saddle, surrounded by friends and people who care about her



Look: I am with you in emotion and morality. I think we are on the same boat. But the argument is faulty. It was broadcasted as a "tell all" interview. That is the problem with it.

As i said before: I find the interview was mess. Partly also because it (not by Logan but by traumatized shocked CBS) was marketed as a "tell all" instead of: "We welcome Lara Logan back into the boat!"

12/4/2011 5:21 pm

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bhadkhat said: Imagine what the media and buzz would be if Logan gave an interview and collapsed? Not good.



A woman tells of her rape in an interview and collapses weeping?

The reaction would be: Compassionate shock. Sorry but i disagree here with you. Would there be people who would laugh at her? Yes. There are people who laugh at burnt corpses too. Is that something the broad majority of the western communities share? No.

So yes, collapsing weeping after telling of your rape is understandable. I mean for like 80% of the people out there. I am not being naive here just truthful to the people i encounter in the streets every day. Remember the reaction when certain people mocked Lara Logan after her assault. Some of them do not have a job anymore.
12/4/2011 3:54 pm

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. said:TOP O THE MORNIN TO YA GOVNAAAAA!



I always liked this irish greeting. It is so refreshingly optimistic.
12/4/2011 9:11 am

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. said:May interview was a mistake. she generated expectations saying that her best work is to come. Now she is doing bad journalism and she does not express her opinion on middle east issues. Paradoxically with her actions she is covering the current regime in Egypt implying that her attack was a random mob events without motif. In the initial CBS statement they should indicate military/police as the attackers. That's her duty as journalist otherwise I am afraid that with her strategy (awards/interviews/etc) she is losing her reputation. People may feel sympathy for her but the way that she handles the whole story is completely wrong and against her professional values. For instance the French journalist was attacked as well but she immediately reported all the details thus she did not generate a wave of curiosity regarding her assault. With LL everything is vague and contradicting.


Strongly disagree. Just give her the time.



I am very inclined against giving Lara ANY BLAME whatsoever concerning the maybe not optimal handling of the interview situation and especially i criticize the notion that she is doing bad journalism. She is doing Fun-Journalism that is also very important to attract viewers.


The reason why this matter is handled how it is can not be answered easily. It is a difficult situation and what happened was...extreme. Cut her some slack. Caroline Sinz and Mona got it easy in comparison. I know that sound horrible but in this case...it is the bloody truth.
12/3/2011 6:44 pm

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. said:confess lara and get your ass on television and say those bastards raped and sodomized you with their dicks and hands and night sticks and three holed you like a porn star and made you suck dick after dick till spooge ran down like rain and fisted you like a sadi bobby and spanked your booty with sticks and spit goobers right in your face and peed all over your tits and smacked them around and laughed and shook their fists and made you cry. then release the video so we can all fap together as one nation under god but come to our senses after we cum and demand justice and string up your attackers like fresh meat in the town square and cut off their heads and finally make some laws to protect women in egypt from a repressed manforce gone crazy with lust and protect some journalists from the rapes and all that positive mumbo jumbo but mostly just finally show us that sweet supple rack bouncing in the glimmering moonlight and give us a chance to find out what it would look like if you went into porn instead of journalism and get away with showing the world your cornhole because public rape was forced upon you and become the most famous sex object and civil right icon of the twenty first century and live on as a hero of a potential revolutionary era in the middle east and inspire little girls all over the world to go into journalism and get raped for good causes the world over and show the world their vaginas on accident for the forces of good and freedom and love and fruity environmental bullshit. be somebody. give us the real shit. show us your tits. sweet jesus please show us those glorious breasts before our heads explode. for the love of all that is holy bless us with sweet release. and by sweet release i mean spooge flying across our computer screens to classical music with fireworks in the background. god bless america. vive la egypt. all is well with my soul. free love.




You stupid asshole. You need to get to a doctor asap because you are already in phase ONE on the path to a corpse munching serial killer.

GET HELP!!!!!!
12/3/2011 12:22 pm

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. said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShuPDll9y8Y

Greg Palkot and Olaf Wiig went on the air with their injuries. I wonder if Lara Logan would have looked the same if she went on the air a day after the attack with a black eye, parts of her hair missing with bandages on her head.



She would have looked worse i think. Remember: Her joins were stretched...i am not even sure if she could have stood or talked a day after the assault. I mean not coherently. But alas...it is not a good question anyway. I mean either it is inconclusive or sadistic. But i give you the benefit of the doubt.

12/3/2011 11:21 am

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. said:http://new2.yerkir.am/en/news/16327.htm

Look at the picture in this article. I wonder if they pose for the picture or if it's taken from something else.



That is posing.

Reason is the framing of the picture: You can almost see a classic over the shoulder view. The View-Direction of the two characters are highly acted and are designed to lead the eyes of the viewer along: The eyes of the man are staring directly at the exposed skin of the woman and the woman is holding her head so that the view is not obscured. Highly artificial. Notice the contrast of the two people: Hair color, Color of Clothing.

Then again it is the style of the posing: Almost a cliche how an attack would look like.
12/3/2011 7:34 am

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. said:she updates more frequently her fb page rather to work as chief foreign affair correspondent. what award is next?



Actually someone updates her Fb fan page for her. Her real Fb page is not accessible anyway by the broad public.
12/3/2011 7:32 am

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. said:if she has paid her dues then it is time for her to go home.



If YOU paid your dues you are going to walk home too? What do you mean by that anyway? The sentence lacks inner logic. The two parts do not fit together.
12/3/2011 7:30 am

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. said:She seems to be getting all the easy assignments. I wonder if the executive producer ever sat her down and said to her "Listen Lara I know you went through a difficult situation, but you are the Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent. Here is your next assignment to the Middle East."

This is what she probably said "But Chief I still have nightmares about my assault. Worst yet, what would happen to my children....my two young children (she takes out a picture of her kids) if anything ever happens to me? (pretends to cry.) Executive Producer probably rolls his eyes and said "alright fine, here go interview this Buble guy. I'll give your assignment to Elizabeth Palmer." Lara walks away all happy.



You are actually an asshole and you - and the rest of your family and work colleagues - know it by now i guess. What the fuck is "a difficult situation"? IF i rape you bloody you gonna say the same about what happened to YOU? What is wrong with you? The word phrasing reflects that you somehow lost your empathy when dinosaurs still walked the earth.
12/2/2011 8:49 am

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nine said:http://youtu.be/ZwVr6cnEnS8

Ha. Awesome. It looks like she had a really great time. That's perfect. :)



Poor "Bubble" Guy didnt know what was happening...she OWNED him good he thought he was in control...she even let him win at the ping-pong table...Lara RULEZ...
12/1/2011 11:31 pm

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. said:http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7390209n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Footage of Lara Logan being kidnapped by this guy.



You got it all wrong. SHE kidnaps HIM. The poor dude just went with it to not let anyone know that she got him good this time.
12/1/2011 11:29 pm

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. said:So is this thread like ONE GUY talking to himself, or what?



Two Guys. And a Goddess of Sumerian origins.
12/1/2011 10:37 pm

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sigh.
12/1/2011 9:38 pm

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. said:And Fuck you too!



You did not understand the beauty of my Fuck You at You. Compared to that your Fuck You at Me is crap.
12/1/2011 9:37 pm

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bro55 said:REE, I think she's tougher than that you don't give her enough credit.




Maybe. I dunno. I am overly protective of her. She is tougher than me lol. For sure...
12/1/2011 9:14 pm

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. said:http://www.thetelegraph.com/news/tells-61914-war-assault.html

"I realized in the months later as more and more people asked me about why I wasn't speaking out, people thought I was afraid to talk about it, that it was too difficult or too painful - that was never the reason," she said.

Well she has to talk about it, because that is the only thing people want to hear about. Nobody cares about her opinion on Iraq or Afghanistan, all people want to know is details about her assault. Anytime there is mention of Egypt and sexual assault, her name will always come up. You are getting awards and recognition because of the assault.


Dont be absurd. She lived years in Afghanistan and Iraq. I wanna see YOU living in these countries! You and I would not last a week there. She is obviously a specialist on war-torn regions especially in the middle and far eastern area but her experiences in Angola and Kosovo round that up quite nicely to a well rounded background. People seem further intrigued by her frank personality and a truly politically complex stance between liberals and conservatives. Long before the assault she deservingly got her Emmy for her dangerous reports in Afghanistan.
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"I remember thinking to myself, you are dying - they were trying to tear my scalp off my skull, tear my body to pieces," Logan said. "Once I had realized I had to surrender to the sexual assault, I was now fighting for my life."

So she is saying they raped her with penis because she stopped resisting? Just come clean and say it Lara.



Why? To get mocked by the likes of YOU? If you would be in HER position you would show YOURSELF the Fuck-You.
12/1/2011 9:02 pm

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. said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf0JF-Psy6U

With all these attacks on female journalist, why are these news organizations still using them? Screw the feminist because they will be the first to complain and blame the news organization for not having enough security if a female reporter gets attacked.



Because they would send the wrong signal if they would suddenly evacuate every female correspondent. It would be disastrous. And it would also send the wrong signal back to the people who done this. It would send back signals of weakness and fear.

12/1/2011 9:01 pm

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The reel superjerk said:Only if EE grabs my Johnson during the group hug. Otherwise I have always believed that platonic love can exist between two grown men.



EE would NEVER grab your Johnson during the group hug. Neither would he grab the breasts of Compassion. EE understands platonic love very well. Thank you for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 

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