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12/7/2011 7:42 pm

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scuba dot said:Complete SHIT! I've been reading this thread from the beginning an this "inner circle" group is nothing but a bunch of douche bags who think they're emailing with Lara Logan and she's giving them the straight dope when it's really the fat kid from the video yanking their chains. They don't know shit and it's obvious. She was raped with hands and that's it. No reason or motive to lie. Give it up Euro trash. She's not going to leave Joe move to Australia and get a sex change to be with you. Lara doesn't even know you exist. If she did she'd think you were an obsessed weirdo stalker with too much time on his hands. Go fuck yourself.



ROFL

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this is not only the post of the day, but the post of the year!!

whoever you are, you just hit the nail right on the head!




LOL
12/7/2011 6:15 pm

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. said:looks like european elitist is having a conversation with himself, I think we better stay off the thread for a while and not disturb this really interesting conversation he is having with himself.




No...i am into talking to myself, truth be told, but i never write to myself. That is too cumbersome. When i am talking to myself i do it verbally not in written form.
12/7/2011 6:12 pm

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. said:I think that Marc, the French guy from two days ago, made a very strong point about how difficult it would be for her son to hear, let alone see the details of what has occured. I wonder if it would be much harder for a boy than even for a girl. It is very hard for me to relate to it, but seeing that many men here *absolutely sincerely* do not comprehend the difficulties she had during the interview (which seemed to be so natural for me) -- I can imagine that there are a lot of gender differences when it comes to embarrassment, consealment etc. I am sure there are special challenges for a young boy to grow up knowing not only that his mother had been raped, but how, etc. I do not care about what Freud felt towards his mother, but one way or another, we know that this is a very sensitive issue for boys. Who knows where it may take him? I am sure many therapist know how to treat boys who know their mothers had been raped, that is not so uncommon. But this boy will have to deal not only with his own awareness, but with the whole world knowing it, and knowing it in detail. I do not think THAT is common. I hope, and think that most likely, this unusual experience would make him a better person, more caring and sensitive. But it is not a given! Not too many people had ever been exposed to the extreme "over-sexualization" of their mother (or other close relatives) since early childhood? Even in those war zones where rape is almost a given -- there is no exposurue to detail.
Also, for Lara this could be especially embarrassing to know that her son knows, regardless of how compassionate and respectful he would be. Yes, you may say that this is something they both will have to "get over" sooner or later, but I am sure the extend of the informational exposure could affect the outfome.




I believe he and his sister will go through this and prevail. They will get all the help and support they need. And then they will grow up to become compassionate and wise adults.

Nuff said.
12/7/2011 5:17 pm

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. said:She had successfully conducted herself in at least one public speaking engagement, AU, and I will not hear for one second that she did not have the presence of mind in May to be held accountable for the decisions made in that interview.



Then we have a classic Dissent of opinions.I do not believe she was a quivering mound of fear either but i strongly believe that 2 months after a horrible sexual assault (and by now everyone knows that i believe the worst possible scenario happened) she was in NO position and in NO presence of mind to be held accountable for anything she decided in May. It would be grossly unfair to assume otherwise. In my mind i compare Lara Logans case with that of Gaby Gibbons, the congresswoman that got shot in the head. Both women survived but look at Gibbons. She can barely talk. something comparable happened to Lara Logan: She walks and talks and moves around seemingly okay but her dignity and self-esteem was shattered into little pieces in the assault and 2 mere months after the assault nobody should expect anything from her but the willingness to get professional help (which is pretty hard for anyone to do especially for such a strong woman)

The problem is that the public - and with public i mean YOU and ME - do not know what kind of damage sexual assaulting really produces. The public does not know. And i think we should change that. For the sake of Lara and for the sake of other female and male rape victims.
12/7/2011 1:46 pm

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The reel superjerk said:No me either. But I think the details of it characterized what actually happened far more accurately than her 60 minutes interview.... Don't you agree?



The TONE may have characterized what actually happened far more, yes. Not so much the details but the overall tone. In that regard it was more..."truth" than the interview.
12/7/2011 1:45 pm

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. said:I disagree. I hear you and I understand how hard this must be for her. I don't think she is her normal self when she deals with anything related to this incindent. She did lie though on this point. The 25 minute point. She has since admitted it was more like 40 minutes. I think it was even longer than that. She clearly had sign off authority on the final edit of her own interview. She knew it was way more than 25 minutes. That was a lie and it was a lie told specifically to make the assault seem less sever than it was. No one would believe that she was in their clutches for over and hour and was not raped. I think the fact she is slowly increasing the time with every interview tells me that she feels she has not done the right thing on that particular point. She and we can all split hairs about whether omitting information is lying. Saying something was 25 minutes when it was really an hour is a lie. That's like me saying I have a 8 inch penis when it is really only 4.5 inches. They know to the minute how long she was gone. And I know to the mm how big my penis is. To say otherwise is a lie. They and she have lied about it. For those that care mine's about 6.4, which is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. She has nothing to be ashamed of either. Ah the power of analogy.




Then let me further extrapolate on the analogy. Imagine your penis broken and ripped off by some evildoers and you being treated in the hospital after that. Shortly after your operation you THOUGHT you were strong enough to talk about your penis being broken and ripped but when you talk about how long your penis really is now (much shorter) you just are so emotional that some people strongly advise you to reconsider. You - in no real condition to think clearly - say yes and sign everything they give to you.

You want to tell everybody how short your penis is and all that but you know in your state of confusion and weakness you got swayed earlier on. What do you do now? And: Did you really lie in the first place?



12/7/2011 1:13 pm

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. said:YES! THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU!



And you and your mates being that much informed and eloquent in your theories. I must be mad not acknowledging your superior wisdom. Evil me.
12/7/2011 12:39 pm

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boob sequester said:You are completely naked in the middle of the street getting sexually assaulted by a mob of angry men and they're hand raping the holy hell out of your va-jay-jay and your sweet derriere forty minutes strong, taking pictures as they spank your ass and motorboat the shit out of your tits like a real live motorboatin' son-of-a-bitch but that's not embarrassing at all when you share it on national television. Nooooo. It's just the dongs. Only dongs are embarrassing to women. You sound so clueless right now.



Am I?
12/7/2011 11:28 am

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. said:http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/2011/12/07/egypt-s-belly-dancers-defy-islamists

They are going to get stoned to death.



Let us hope not.
12/7/2011 11:18 am

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. said:So Europerson, you believe the Lara Logan report part 2 or do you know more than you let on?



I do not believe Lara Logan report part 2 is true.
12/7/2011 10:28 am

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boob sequester said:Why wouldn't she share the whole story in full detail when she was asked about it on the Kalb Report or asked about it by Carol Jenkins or elsewhere? If she wanted her story told then it would be told. CBS has no power to stop her. Revealing that she was raped with dongs isn't going to harm her career more than revealing she was raped with hands. If she was raped with dongs she'd have said it already. Nobody leaves getting raped with dongs out of a rape story. Nobody. Ever.



I disagree. But not completely. The problem are the nuances. There seems to be a (credible?) fear that a description of a full gang rape is going to hurt her public image somehow. Maybe because when she starts to describe a little she has to describe more...and that would lead to a kind of trap where she would recount everything of the assault. Why should that be problematic?

Okay. Hypothetically speaking: What if rape by "dongs" was not really the shocking element of the assault? What if the really shocking element is the way the assault took place. I mean that the assault could have been - as already postulated - far more organized and long and took place in more phases than everyone even thought of in the most pessimistic scenarios.

I am - just postulating without ANY Evidence - not talking about one Gang-rape but multiple Gang-rapes in different locations over a longer time frame.

THAT could be far more horrific and problematic for her to say because it would cause (maybe) problems for CBS and Clinton and the Egyptian military junta.

Hypothetically speaking without ANY shred of Evidence. I know that sounds over-the top somehow. But just...hypothetically speaking: It would be a snowball effect.
12/7/2011 8:43 am

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Plase said:You folks r sad, Lara logan is a bs artist, those other journalists were way more truthful. She has too much pride to tell the truth



I disagree.

My theory is: The other journalists had it "easy" compared to her. All points to the fact that way more happened to Lara Logan than to them without marginalizing the brutal attack on the two ladies. But alone the fact that for example Mona could smile into the cameras after having broken bones should tell you something about the assault she went through. Lara Logan couldn't smile after that. A battle hardened journalist needed days in hospital and weeks at home to recuperate to some degree.

My second theory is that she told it all at CBS. But it was edited and omitted later on. It is also about her career. Are we demanding truth from her even if it could ruin her work and career? What are we bringing to the table to compensate for that?

My third theory is that she never ever lied. She just left out the details. Okay it is a little bit problematic because she left so many details out that it kinda points out to some lesser violence instead of conveying the full horror of the assault. I do think that is troubling her. At Carol Jenkins you could see her emotional turmoil. I think that some part of that turmoil is the result of a crisis within her between of what she wants to tell (all the details) and "advice" from concerned parties to do nothing of that sort.




12/7/2011 8:27 am

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. said:So why isn't the Caroline Sinz assault blocked are deleted even though we don't see her get stripped naked?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ABhhmgwLY

And the Naked Blogger assault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u6VcaV1v7g&feature=related



BECAUSE we don't see her stripped naked.

Showing a woman get assaulted is no problem whatsoever. Showing a woman NAKED being assaulted is a big NO-NO. I still believe it is mainly the journalists keeping this under the rug but of course there is a strong interest of the government here as well. There are really reasons for not showing what happened to Lara Logan because she was allegedly stripped very early...and too much could be seen early on.

A big NO-NO.
12/7/2011 8:20 am

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. said:http://www.realpolice.net/forums/general-law-enforcement-topics-discussion-2/99612-lara-logan-claims.html

My assessment: Lara Logan is a pathological liar. What do you think. Do I think she got terrorized, shoved, pinched, groped and had her hair pulled? Yep. Do I think she was stripped naked, beaten savagely and raped. LOL... uh.. not at all.

Wow! This star_gazer is calling Lara a bullshit liar.



...and got his ASS handed back to him by two gentlemen in this forum. They flat out called him a disgusting idiot. I am not impressed.
12/7/2011 12:29 am

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. said:http://www.metro.us/newyork/national/article/1029628--metro-s-man-and-woman-of-the-year-take-your-pick

Woman of the Year? no! She only gets my vote if she gives a detailed account of what happened, go back to Egypt and call out the government for what they did.



You are pretty harsh in demanding deeds of others. Maybe she would do all these things if she was more sure of her supporters.
12/6/2011 11:40 pm

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. said:There will never be any 'evidence'. Face it.

Posting links to a related articles as they become available would be an appropriate use. The thread could become a portal for links related to harassment in Egypt, gender issues in the Mideast, etc., and discussion about the content within those links.



Maybe. But it sounds so boring what you wrote. So...normal. Nothing what you suggest has not been done already elsewhere. What is the "secret" of this thread? That it is about normal things?

I don't think so. I think this thread needs its visceral quality. Its outsider-touch. And that has to translate to the themes too.

So think again what this thread could be. But think a little harder. I will be listening to what you suggest.
12/6/2011 11:17 pm

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. said:I meant let Lara and Temoris argue about the incident.



You cannot even write properly. That should tell you something.

Go on. Laugh at yourself. Mock thyself. Point the finger at yourself.

Gimme real humor and not this teenage boy crap.

12/6/2011 11:15 pm

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. said:Somebody should put together a Lara Logan Egypt assault 1 year anniversary convention with Lara Logan as the special guest. Also invite Max McClellan, Ray the security guy and Temoris Grecko. There should be a Q and A session, a reenactment of the events, let Lara and Temoris argue about what. Max should have to reenact his famous getting on his knees and apologizing, then everybody throw eggs at him.



That is just hurtful and cynical what you write. It is not even remotely funny.

It always the same: Real humor is not about mocking other people. It is about mocking yourself. Where do you take yourself not too seriously? Nowhere. You just laugh at the others. Laugh at yourself for one minute. It will do you wonders.
12/6/2011 8:51 pm

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. said:STRONG IS THE OCD IN THIS THREAD....

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:yoda:



Indeed Master. You are right - like always!

PS: BTW i like your new haircut!
12/6/2011 6:35 pm

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Tal U Matar said:I will continue comming to this board once in a while and say nice things.

No, Ms Logan does not need (and even more so does not HAVE to)do or say anything about it. If she does, this is remarkable, and always appreciated, but there is no reason why she should say ANYTHING, unless this helps her, or unless she feels it can help other victims. This will never define her, but her altruism and her dignity do and will.
She should know she is REALLY cool. A very impressive, very special, amazing person.

I really think that one decent post of mine is worth 10-20 nasty posts by lousy trolls. After all no one would look at this forum as a gate of decency. At least I hope so. So, I will continue, I think.

No, this is not about the pictures, or anything else of the sort. I am here, I like her, I can just as well say something positive. Does not really cost me anything.



*thumps up!*

Nuff said.
12/6/2011 6:22 pm

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. said:i think he described her that way because she was whipped with flagpoles till her ass and legs were covered in welts and cuts and bruises



Yes. That makes sense. Poor Lara.
12/6/2011 6:20 pm

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bro55 said:I sure hope this thread does not go quietly into the night. Yes we have to put up with the trolls, and Nazis, porn and that picture of Anderson Cooper's ass trying to get a headline. All that aside I have learned so much by the posting of articles I would have never found on the Internet myself. If this thread dies the conversation dies good or bad it still needs to be talked about, it's not about the pictures or the conspiracy or even Lara's privacy it's more than that. I am now acutely aware of the plight of female journalists and Muslim women suffering the brutality of Islamic law. Lara has said her best work is yet to come only time will tell but history will show by breaking her silence she put a spotlight on the worldwide brutality of women our Lara is not a victim she survived it was a blessing she speaks about it we are enlightened. I don't know if Lara will ever read these words but in the off chance that someone she knows does tell her not to stop, there'll always be the trolls and the perverts but women worldwide especially Muslim women need her voice. I like to think some day in the future that history will show that on February 11 the mob picked on the wrong journalist.



100% agree.

She opened my eyes on what women journalists have to suffer through. She has inspired us to think and feel deeper than we usually do.

And the mob picked the wrong journalist. They dont know yet. But they will.
12/6/2011 1:07 pm

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. said:Discussion about current events related to a public figure, whether it is supportive or cruel, is certainly allowed on the internet. It is disturbing to see it suggested that those who gather together to discuss an item in the news are somehow placing themselves at risk. It is also disturbing to see it suggested that the subject of the discussion in the thread is somehow harmed if the thread exists. No one is forcing Logan to look at this thread. No one can stop people from discussing her situation, online or in person. The assertion is that no one, in the entire world, from this moment until eternity, can discuss and consider the aspects of this attack on a public figure without doing harm to that person? That doesn't seem compelling.



In Principle you are right.
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The thread is winding down on its own. The rate of increase of pages has been dropping for months. If it weren't for the posted ".", the name-calling fights, and you, REE, the thread wouldn't grow at all.



Yes but what is your argument here exactly? How do you define the standards on what grounds a thread should grow exactly? Do you propose a thread is only growing when there are meaningful discussions going on all the time? You could say that. But how many threads in how many forums and boards would fall into this category?

Or do you propose this thread only grows when there is substantial information being shown? Like evidence? Is that what you mean?
12/6/2011 12:15 am

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. said:http://mweaverpics.blogspot.com/2011/11/lara-logan-ernie-lucha-vogel-moral.html

What are you Weaver, a stalker? Look at the amount of pictures he took of Lara Logan.

Logan at one point addressed a question she has been repeatedly asked, "Was it worth it?" Her answer was that if she had died, no, it wasn't worth it. But she lived, and yes, she thought that it was probably worth it.

So it was worth it to get raped with hands and surrender to the sexual assault?



It was a stupid question. I would have reprimanded the guys that asked her that. Of course it wasnt worth it. She went to Egypt to interview Mubarak or some other super high official there. And instead of that she became the story? Of course that was just shit.

I think she tried to answer it in a broader context: Was it worth it being a foreign correspondent? Even when concerning what happened in Tahir? Yes, she tells us. It was worth it. Would it have been worth it when she would have died in Tahir? No. Because then she would have died a disgusting death at 40 years with two babies home alone. Of course it wouldnt have been worth it.

PS: Weaver knows charismatic beauty when he sees it. Of course he photographs her. He is no idiot.
12/5/2011 11:57 pm

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. said:http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbss-clarissa-ward-sneaks-into-syria-i-was-fortunate-that-i-really-did-slip-under-the-radar_b101140

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSdlyAUM60

Give either Clarissa Ward or Elizabeth Palmer the Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent title because they really stepped up to the plate when Lara Logan has flatline. Lara should just be a local correspondent reporting on special interest stories like a new baby panda at the zoo.



Do not...underestimate...a baby panda...

just saying...

DO NOT...even THINK about it...!

I warn you...! There have been weaker casus belli!

Concerning pseudo-flatlines: LL will be surprising you very soon with her work. Nuff said.
 

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